The Fraud of Western Psychiatry: A Mental Health Mashup Just in Time for the Holidays. You’re Welcome.

The nuclear family is the site of oppression, coercion and abuse for so many people, especially female people, worldwide, and yet “the family” is rarely discussed in political (or radical) terms.  Last year around this time, I wrote about various familial abuses traditionally suffered by girls and women and suggested that oppression, coercion and abuse is the reason “the holidays” are such a stressful time for people, especially women.  In my observation, the refusal of most people to address the horrors of what really happens in families just leads to confusion and avoidance — and massive cognitive dissonance — where people express dread, anxiety and other negative emotions around family-focused holidays, but only manage in reducing this common experience to a joke/meme and avoiding unpleasant sensations by drinking (or eating, or shopping, or fucking, or cleaning, or decorating, or otherwise medicating) heavily until it’s over. 

That message was generally not taken well, where I gently (and tangentially, it was literally a parenthetical) suggested that a guaranteed way to stop familial oppression, coercion and abuse (of mostly females) was to stop creating so-called nuclear families at all.  Antinatalism, basically.  I know, right?  Antinatalism wasn’t even the dominant theme of that post but I’m such a misogynistic, baby-hating bitch for letting my mind lady-brain wander there, even parenthetically, how dare I (use the internet to talk about the female experience and female oppression).  How very damn dare I.

Sticking with the holiday theme of oppression, coercion and abuse — because it’s fucking relevant — those things are known to cause so-called psychiatric symptoms in people, particularly women as they are its primary targets under a more or less global patriarchy.  In large numbers, girls and women (female human beings) experience anxiety, depression, disassociation and other uncomfortable and debilitating states as a result of being oppressed, coerced and abused, and a lot of women are prescribed and take psychiatric drugs so that these uncomfortable states go away, or have less of an impact on our lives.  And by “lives” I of course mean our ability to show up and be ab/used by our capitalistic, patriarchal overlords including (almost always male) partners, employers and other authority figures.  Mother’s Little Helper and all that.

If these medications actually worked — that is, if they did what they say on the tin and relieved us of our agony — they still wouldn’t be beyond reproach.  There are compelling political and indeed medical arguments against treating people with dangerous Big Pharma medications to ease uncomfortable states of being.  For example, the debilitating and often permanent physical and mental “side effects” of prescription medications, otherwise known as iatrogenic illness and injury that are often just as bad or even worse than the original disease.  As usual, Big Medicine offers suffering people the chance to trade one illness for another, and another, and another, and to pay through the nose for the privilege.

Many times it’s not even a proper trade because the drugs are unable to cure the original disease and the new, treatment-induced injuries and illnesses are just added on.  (This is the case with Crohn’s disease for example which is known to be an incurable disease.)  Either way, the misery is compounded.  Well, it appears to be an open secret within the psychiatric community that psychiatric medications don’t do what they say on the tin.  Women are taking anti-anxiety, anti-depressant, anti-psychotic and other psychotropic medications to treat the effects of political and interpersonal oppression — and are being asked to concurrently swallow the cultural fiction that their discomfort is not political and originates in their own biochemistry — and the medications don’t even work, because they can’t work, because there is nothing chemical to treat, get it?

As discussed below, it appears as if the theory that a chemical imbalance in the brain causes psychiatric symptoms has been thoroughly debunked, yet application of this flawed theory continues: people continue to be medicated for “mental” conditions that are not biochemical and therefore are not amenable to chemical therapies.  These medications also cause frightening and severe negative outcomes long-term and psychiatrists know all of that but they keep prescribing them anyway.

Here are some clips that illustrate what seems to be the situation in which we find ourselves.  Namely, that oppression, coercion and abuse are unavoidable in this system; families are the original and main exposure to those things for most women globally and familial exposure in particular cannot be avoided; oppression, coercion and abuse cause the symptoms we know as mental illness; and every medication in Big Medicine’s arsenal is known to not work to treat it and to even make patients’ physical and mental conditions worse over time.  More videos and discussion below the fold.

Bruce Levine, above, is a Ph.D. and clinical psychologist who writes about oppression and coercion causing so-called psychiatric symptoms and relatedly, the medicalization and pathologization of antiauthoritarianism.  I cited his work in a previous article on this blog entitled Antiauthoritarianism: Illustration via Juxtaposition.

While generally debunking his professional field as a self-described apostate, his specific mission appears to be to “out” as having been disproven the theory of a brain “chemical imbalance” causing so-called psychiatric symptoms like anxiety, depression and even psychosis, which theory implies that people suffering from these symptoms will positively respond to psychiatric/psychotropic drugs.  The chemical imbalance theory has apparently been debunked and rejected for years by the highest psychiatric authorities but the general public hasn’t gotten been given the memo.  I invite my readers to think about that shit a minute.

There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in the brain, or at least none that cause things like anxiety and depression, and thus, there is no legitimate medical reason to treat these symptoms with mind-altering drugs.  There may be other reasons for doing so, but they are not legitimate medical reasons.  This has apparently been an open secret in the field for years, information that is well known in the upper echelons of the mental health hierarchy (for example, since at least 2013 the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and its director have distanced themselves from the “Bible” of psychiatric diagnoses, the DSM, and the NIMH now preferentially funds research unfettered by DSM ideological constraints) but millions of people continue to be prescribed and take these side-effect riddled Big Pharma poisons anyway.

As if that weren’t bad enough, Big Pharma psychotropic drugs actually make people more psychologically unstable and more physically and mentally unwell than they were before over time.  This has been shown where antiauthoritarian psychotics who “go off their meds” have better long-term outcomes than the goody two-shoes (authoritarian) psychotics who stay on their meds (and those who are subjected to so-called “forced care” and are literally physically forced and/or psychologically coerced into taking the drugs whether or not they are a bona fide actor on their own care team).

Below are clips from psychiatrist and patient advocate Peter Breggin explaining the profoundly troubling origin and history of Western psychiatry, as well as what psychotropic drugs actually do to your brain, why the effects are read as “improvement” by caretakers and others, and the long-term effects of psychiatric drug treatment including permanent iatrogenic illness and injury, particularly grossly shortened life expectancy, and increased — not decreased — mental and physical disability including increased psychosis.  Happy Holidays y’all!

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40 thoughts on “The Fraud of Western Psychiatry: A Mental Health Mashup Just in Time for the Holidays. You’re Welcome.

  1. I knew as soon as I read the title I would be in agreement. I have such resentment towards the psychiatric community and I can go on for hours about it. I was in the system for years and it was horrifying. I have been strapped down to hospital beds and forcibly sedated because I did not agree with them nor their methods. I was not released from the hospital until I agreed to take their poisonous medications. The physical and emotional side effects of these medications are many. They are uncomfortable and embarrassing to the point that I did not want to go out in public. My self esteem plummeted even further. Giving a person with suicidal tendencies antidepressants also makes no sense because these drugs cause suicidal ideation at the very least.

    They tried to slap labels on my younger son, including ODD, and talk us into medicating him. We did not. There were things going on at the time which caused the behavior. ODD behavior is how children express depression and the cause needs to be addressed, not symptoms covered up. As you know, I am proud of the young man he has become.

    When my older son took his life I was hurt and angry yet I didn’t want him in the psychiatry system because they would cause him harm. Although I live with this horrific pain every day, I feel my son is happier and safer in the Spirit Realm than in the “care” of psychiatry.

    That being said, if grief is now a mental illness then I’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats as they’re coming to take me away to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time…😜😜😜😜😜 (Sarcasm here)

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  2. Hi Michelle. Your experience of the “mental health” system is horrifying. I’m glad you were able to protect your children from this corrupt system. That must’ve been extremely difficult and risky to pull off.

    I knew that the meds cause side effects and are given to people who don’t really need them, but I didn’t know that the biochemical theory of mental illness has been debunked. Did you? That just makes everything so much worse. While there are some people who seem to know that, this information has obviously been covered up and many people probably dont know about it. So this post was kind of a PSA (public service announcement). I was shocked when I started reading about it. Like, everything radical feminists have been saying about it is true but its even worse than we thought (we thought it was just unfairly applied to women bc misogyny, when it appears as if the entire thing is a sham and an open secret that every thinking/educated person knows about except us). Afaik, feminists have not widely shared information showing that the biochem theory itself has been debunked. Which really shouldn’t surprise me since I already know that feminists are stupid and really just end up making excuses and concessions for abusive men, and muddying the issues.

    What these men don’t discuss is the possibility that physical illness can also cause so-called mental health type symptoms. Maybe this is a good jumping off point for that discussion actually, bc if these things do not originate in brain chemistry, where do they come from? Here is a famous psychologist Jordan Peterson suggesting rather cryptically that mental illness is really physical illness and that no one is talking about it. I can’t tell if this is just his own opinion or something that he has sources for, but it seems like this is being touched on at least. Peterson is an insane misogynist but he is also somewhat of a free thinker and frequently says things that “the establishment” doesn’t like.

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  3. All of this also suggests that oppression/coercion/abuse cause physical illness (which causes mental symptoms which are not biochemical in nature). I think? I’m still trying to wade through the implications of this. Maybe the debunking of the biochem theory of mental illness is the necessary segue to the discussion of mental illness = physical illness. That discussion likely couldn’t happen if people still think so-called mental illness is caused by biochemical imbalance in the brain.

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  4. I didn’t hear it had been debunked but I had very little reaction to it because it is something I have always known. I feel that mental illness is due to circumstances, environment, toxic families and an extremely sick society. These are the causes and the illnesses and these are what must be healed. Masking them with toxic medications only causes people to behave as society wishes them to (well behaved compliant numb zombies) while on the inside the person is more miserable but no longer has the means to express it. This method will never cure anything.

    Having been hospitalized numerous times and after what my son went through, I can tell you that they force these barbaric treatments on male “patients” also.

    I can’t really address whether or not it is physical illness; however, if it is a brain chemical imbalance would that not make it physical? I do know that illnesses such as epilepsy can cause depression. When the epilepsy is affecting me quite a lot i do get depressed.

    “It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society” – Krishnamurti

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  5. Jordan Peterson is so fucking creepy. I see it in his eyes how fucked up he is inside and it’s really disturbing. He has a whole huge white male supremacist following listening to his every insane word like he’s forming a cult.

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  6. This whole system is a complete shit show. You don’t even have to know a lot of the details like this to see how fucked up it all is. I have no idea why so many people are so trusting no matter how much abuse is inflicted on them. I knew from a very young age that this was all fucked up long before I had any understanding of why.

    It just boggles my mind how people can go to some strange man and take whatever weird unknown chemicals this douchebag gives them without even any question of what they are just cause of “authority.”

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  7. Well, what they appear to be saying is that it’s NOT biochemical. I mean, yes it would be technically “physical” if it was biochemical in the brain, and the fact that they have done this unnatural mind/body mental/physical separation is part of the problem with what they do with everything (compartmentalizing living beings, which is necrophilic and is not how life and living beings/bodies work at all). But they are saying its NOT biochemical. So what is it? Jordon Peterson seems to be just cracking this nut himself with his pained face and psychotically wrinkled suit that looks like it smells like sweat. lol Whatever else he is and isn’t, he is not afraid to contradict the people who have power over him. He is anti-trans and refuses to call male trannies “she” for example, and has gotten is a shitload of trouble over it apparently. So yeah, definitely be skeptical with him but I think it’s possible to get truth from various sources. Someone recently sent me that clip and I thought it was interesting, and timely.

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  8. I hope people are watching the vids I provided if they are interested and have the time. Bruce Levine describes “why” people take unknown chemicals from douchebags, and one reason is that they are just children and their parents make them. Even adult “children” are coerced by their families to comply with this shit. There are many reasons to take the poison handed out by a douchebag. But according to these sources, one of those reasons is NOT that there is any such thing as a biochemical imbalance in the brain. This seemed like important information to share.

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  9. I will watch the videos later, but IDK I was pretty young when I started refusing to take any medicine or take any stock in what doctors even say. My mom was always so worried about anything being wrong with me and tried to do her best and we had to go to the poor people doctor, which I didn’t know was the poor people doctor at the time cause I was little, just knew it as the doctor’s, and that’s why it was especially awful. I just felt worse from anything they did to me and from just going there and it was obvious how these people did not care or pay attention to what they are doing at all. It made me feel so much better to just rest at home. I feel like most specialties are pretty good in this country, like if I hire someone to redo my kitchen, or whatever, they would probably do a good job. But the difference in the uncaring, apathetic, and cruel behavior that I’ve seen in the medical field is so different and so obvious even to a small child.

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  10. Yeah I know all about how he is fighting against the trans takeover and refusing to comply with their dictates. He says a lot of smart things but it’s kind of scary actually how he is so uncompliant because of what a psycho he is. He seems like he’s amassing an army with all these obsessive followers he has. I can see something really dark and sick in his eyes and it seriously freaks me out to even look at him. Like I feel the evil coming off from him. I don’t feel such an intensely negative vibe from that many people.

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  11. I think I probably had a more negative opinion of doctors from an early age too just because we were going to the poor people doctor where they have sliding scale pay and all that. As a kid of course I had no understanding of all that and I just saw the doctors as a crappy run down place with robotic people who didn’t give a shit what they were doing and you had to wait forever to get to see anyone. IDK if my thoughts might have been different if I would have been going to some nice building with people who were nice and not just shuffling everyone in and out as quick as they could.

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  12. It’s true that male free thinkers are terrifying. The fact that they think they are “free thinkers” is the worst part about them bc they are never “free” of maleness or male thinking no matter what they think about. I kind of have my popcorn out and am watching the JP shitshow unfold from afar. Last year he livestreamed himself deleting his Patreon account, from which he was making $30,000 a MONTH (30,000×12 annually) from his followers. Of course, that only made him more of a hero to the largely unresourced males who I think comprise his followers (and who unironically gifted him a $360,000 a year salary for telling them to clean their rooms and to stop watching porn).

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  13. Absolutely, he thinks he is so groundbreaking with all his free thought but it’s just regurgitating the same crap men always say but he just read more books than the average random moron and can say things more coherently than most. It’s so weird how they are all so obsessed with other men being able to have women to impregnate. Like he was crying about how all the men are getting rejected (cause women finally have some freedom to reject the losers) and all the mean women just need to let these poor men fuck them and get them pregnant and it will be totally cool, just do it and stop being such meanies. And he said all this stuff how every woman should be having two children to stabilize the population. Lol no regard to whether the women even want to have any children or that they should be making those decisions themselves, just 2 is the perfect number, JP says so. That’s pretty hilarious about him deleting his Patreon and making it into some big show, do you know why? It’s always the least deserving people who are given everything isn’t it? All he does it spout a bunch of nonsense and the money comes pouring in. That’s cool that he’s telling them to clean and stop watching porn though.

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  14. Wow and the Patreon was only part of his salary. He has books out that I think are best sellers, definitely highly selling and he is a professor at a university. Plus he probably charges to give talks and whatever. This dude is raking it in from these losers who want to be in charge and are mad women won’t pay attention to them. It’s just the same shit from dudes for thousands of years. They are so lacking in creativity but all think how they are coming up with such great ideas. Then they can tell each other what geniuses they are.

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  15. Ok I watched it. I think in the last 2 minutes or so he says that psych drugs will help “mental health” symptoms if and only if the symptoms are caused by a physical problem like Parkinson’s or Alzheimers. AND that if you have a physical problem like that (or any other I would assume?) the absolute last thing you want to do is subject yourself to toxic Big Pharma psych drugs. Did anyone else watch that and notice that? My mind is kind of blown rn.

    He also mentions earlier what “drug trials” really entail. They try to do longer term studies on different things but they never can bc everyone starts having negative effects after like 12 weeks and they drop out of the trials. Or continuing would “skew” the results by demonstrating a severe and negative outcome after a certain point. So they “end” the study at week 6 or 8 before everyone started getting sick and say they were all fine lol. Also, double blind studies of Big Pharma meds, esp psych meds, are not blind at all bc the researchers can tell who is taking the real meds bc they are having negative effects! In the psych med trials, the people getting the real meds start acting like spastic retards (basically) while the placebo group acts normal. I haven’t heard that before. I thought this vid was worth a watch.

    And I hope that if there are any women here who have been contemplating starting psych meds, maybe especially this time of year when their families are driving them crazy, I hope these vids and the discussion were a useful resource. The apparent fact that all of this is an open secret, and yet the conversation hasn’t changed much at all despite the badly hidden evidence is really disturbing. What the fuck.

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  16. In the one I dropped in the comments above. He is talking free form so there’s no real structure to that one. Sorry if you are having trouble with it. I can’t remember what the other ones said except that people “feeling better than they have ever felt in their lives!!!@#$” for the first 2 weeks on Prozac or whatever is NOT a good sign lol. It’s the beginning of an initial manic phase that goes away as your brain starts fighting the toxin (and then the fun really begins). Man this shit is so gnarly.

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  17. Wow I had just had an insight about Jordan Peterson and I come here and see that you all are on the same wavelength, that’s wild.

    My insight was that while he makes money being perceived as some kind of outsider and rebel, the reality is that he is a corporate psychiatrist. He adjusts people to whitecollar, corporate employment. That is his job. There are kinds of jobs that people can be coerced into doing more or less brutally because the system just needs your brute labor. But the system also needs intelligent skilled people for certain tasks and those people have to fully buy in, they need to consent. That’s where people like Peterson come in.

    A big part of why he’s so fixated on unmarriageable men is that they are a massive threat to the system on multiple levels – they might actively fuck it up, they might even create alternatives to it (probably not though), but even more importantly, without the strongest motivator for participation in the system – dependent children – they are not reliable resources to maintain and expand it.

    You have to be pretty far up your own ass however to fail to square the facts about the nuclear family and the position of women in it with the results of the extremely high level of individual wealth and autonomy generated by this system and the position of women in *it*. White collar, executive employment gives the ablebodied a permanent exit strategy from family life. As ought to be obvious to someone like Peterson but somehow manages not to be, this creates irreconcilable tensions within individuals, tensions which generally do the worst harm to women for reasons which I assume are obvious to this audience but I’m happy to elaborate if not.

    Men can be adjusted to the life of a married whitecollar worker infinitely more easily than women. They give up fundamental autonomy in return for real benefits and those benefits generally increase with age, while it is only the most socially isolated who fail to see the massive disadvantages to older men who refuse the yoke. Married motherhood + a “real” career is a singularly shitty deal for women, however – but we also have plenty of recent history to show that marriage + kids + total economic dependency sucks pretty hard too. So women will predictably refuse to marry and refuse to have children no matter how many rooms Peterson nags people into cleaning.

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  18. It really is interesting how successfully JP is herding single men into total conformity and yes, it does make you wonder why he does it. “It’s his job” is certainly correct, and I wonder if there is anything else going on concurrently. Maybe not, but he seems to have made it personal. Like, what’s up with all the crying? He tells young loser-type men that they need to get their own houses in order before they criticize “the system” which is hilarious considering that young losery men could easily take a lifetime to get their own houses in order and therefore, none of them will ever criticize anything lol. Fine by me, I’m sick of hearing them bitch about “the system” anyway, it’s completely laughable. For JP’s part, he seems to be keeping his own house in order too, or at least he makes a show of his own behaviors that would make it seem like he is. He recently accepted treatment with, and became dependent on benzos while his wife was in treatment for terminal cancer (I think?) and as soon as the crisis passed he checked himself into rehab! Why any psychologist would accept treatment with benzos, considering that they all must know (mustn’t they?) that the brain chemical imbalance theory has been debunked, is a bit of a mystery, but it did give him a massive opportunity to showboat for his followers when he tried getting off them. How his wife got access to a cure for an aggressive terminal cancer is somewhat mysterious too, but I’m sure the morons who follow him won’t hold it against him that he likely used his enormous wealth and privilege to gain access to something none of them will ever have. And it makes me wonder what his connections really are, if he does indeed have that kind of access to miracle treatments which seem to be reserved for the truly powerful and I don’t think JP qualifies if he is “just” a regular-guy psychologist and pop culture personality. It really is curious.

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  19. That really is strange how people like him operate like that determined to keep the system running. He’s making money off all of this but he’s clearly invested in it. I don’t think he’s a liar or a phony just saying whatever people will buy. I think he fully believes everything he says and thinks about everything very carefully.

    I think there is a biological aspect to it too where a lot of men feel strongly about other men being able to reproduce because they’re sort of another species from us in a sense and have biological urges to keep their species going, not just their individual genes. So of course lots of them just want to force us but others want to get us to agree to mate with men with all their persuasion and logic stuff like JP.

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  20. Hmm if he has access to the “elite’s” hidden knowledge then that would probably mean they helped put him into place which would explain how he got so ridiculously popular.

    So it’s funny how he’s against belief systems and all that but doesn’t recognize that all the things he says are a belief system too. The privilege of the powerful, everything other people think is just crazy belief systems but the stuff he says is totally genius logic. He’s a true believer with his own set of dogma that he’s based his life on and preaches his sermons to confused and angry young men.

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  21. lol he checked into rehab because he became dependent on benzos living the ordinary life of a woman – having to maintain a career and also be responsible for caregiving for his sick wife. MF couldn’t deal and ran away to rehab.

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  22. I don’t think he is a true believer actually. From what I understand, and this was explained to me by someone who is very interested in what he is doing, JP does not “believe” in anything but rather, he deliberately ACTS as if he does. He thinks action is what’s important, not belief. So he acts as if there is any such thing as a Christian God and does whatever someone who believed it for real would DO. He kind of seems like a robot or alien trying to mimic a human being, and since he is male that’s basically exactly what he is and basically what all men do all the time. Except many young loser men don’t DO much of anything and have lots of “beliefs.” He seems to think that’s not the way to go lol. And yes he is wildly popular which probably means there is something there worth paying attention to, but I don’t know exactly what it is.

    Good point that he couldn’t handle what most if not all women eventually have to face. And he had help! He has an adult daughter who surely took over some of the caretaking duties. Most women do it alone esp if they have grown sons and they still take care of the able bodied adult sons on top of it while they don’t help her at all, or help their fathers at all. The thought of not having a woman to take care of HIM in his advancing age (or now) probably threw him over the edge. That’s probably why he got married in the first place.

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  23. I don’t know about his belief in God and all that but he sure believes in getting men laid and upholding Western Civilization. I don’t think it’s just an act. Maybe he has God stuff and whatever supporting his real agenda but I think he’s pretty committed to keeping white male supremacy going and feels strongly and emotionally about it. It does seem like they’re just basically robots pretending to be human though. He’s pretending as much as the other men.

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  24. That’s good he stayed with his wife when she got sick though. Most men leave their sick wives. They don’t seem to be about to handle sickness well or anything where they don’t have a woman to care for them.

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  25. I’m starting to think being attracted to men at all is actually a mental illness like how some women say it’s just an adaptation to make the inevitable raping less painful and destructive. Most of them are such savages that no woman in her right mind would be around, yet they still get women to be around them. Then so many are so ugly and I think about how many women must have been raped to pass on such ugly genes until now since no women would have willing chose them. Women aren’t ugly like men, a woman can be unattractive but I don’t ever look at a woman and think she’s ugly. It’s like seeing the brutality in them how they’ve managed to get these defective genes passed down for so long. Then the few that are actually really cute and seem nice always seem to be hiding some shit, like it really is that these alien creatures are pretending to be human and don’t quite get it. I think even the best of them don’t have the same emotional capacity as us. It’s very confusing. There are plenty that seem nice but I wonder what all of them are really thinking and if every one is fucked up in some way. We’re the ones who have been put through a lifetime of personal and societal trauma that will never end and we still manage to mostly handle life better at least better then men do who have everything designed for them and no one hunting them down everywhere they go.

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  26. Here’s the thing tho. Western civilization WILL go on forever until it collapses under its own heat and pressure. Feminists are completely stupid if they think otherwise and their unwavering belief that it’s going to change for the better is simply not supported by the evidence. Being that this is the case, I can’t even say for sure that women are worse off with men than in any other arrangement. Out of my entire family on both sides, I am the least resourced and the most fucked out of any woman in my entire line even though I am the most educated, and probably the most intelligent out of all of them. Those things don’t seem matter as much as being partnered with a man. Is JP lying (or wrong) when he says that’s the truth of it? I’m not so sure. Of course, it largely depends on the man, and how much of an accumulator he is. JP is showing unresourced males and failed accumulators how to accumulate. Accumulation is bad for the environment and bad for non-accumulating cultures and unsupported by natural law, but women in the system (as we are) are safer with accumulations (and a loyal male protector) than they are without them in my estimation. I am staring into the maw of capitalism and patriarchy as a sick woman who can’t take care of myself, and I can see that every SLUT in my family is doing better than I am bc they are partnered with men. Besides myself and one aunt, the only female child on my dad’s side who is basically a nun, every female in my entire line fuck men for survival and they are all doing better than I am. I actually wanted to be a nun when I was little but my slut mother discouraged me, but she also made sure I knew not to get married and have kids. So now I have nothing. I don’t even call the cops anymore when I hear domestic violence happening because I know that women know that being with a man is better than being homeless and in that system no matter what he does to her. If she thought otherwise she would leave him herself without my help. And if he is one who would kill her if she left, and that’s why she doesn’t leave, me calling the cops isn’t going to help her with that. If it sounds like I’m no longer a feminist, it’s only bc I’m not.

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  27. Thank you for hearing me Mary, and for taking my statement as it is intended: a statement of ugly truth that I wish wasn’t true but seems to be true anyway. I’m sure there are those who will recoil at reading that, but I doubt anyone can argue it’s not true. If someone thinks it’s not true, and has an actual reason for thinking that, I hope they will take the time to tell me here.

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  28. Yeah that’s pretty much the conclusion I’ve come to as well. JP is definitely not lying or wrong about this stuff, just something evil in him and doesn’t see it as evil that this is our choices. After so many thousands of years fighting for liberation from men as they raped, murdered, and mutilated us along with any men who wouldn’t go along with it, it’s very naive to think everything will suddenly be great. Now we’re at a point where we’re facing the collapse of our environment from all the poisoning and it’s definitely not stopping. I am feeling the same way that all my education and work trying to make something meaningful of my life and survive in this system on my intelligence was all ridiculously naive. And my hope for men to be better and people to work together was even more so. I’ve been thinking I should have just used my looks and been a model and flirted with men and had them buy me stuff and found some dude with money who was okay to be with. It’s gotten me no where trying to work to better myself and do things I thought could help people by getting highly educated and it’s gotten me no where trying to find someone I really love and not focusing on resource accumulation shit.

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  29. “The thought of not having a woman to take care of HIM in his advancing age (or now) probably threw him over the edge. That’s probably why he got married in the first place” DING DING DING

    let me go back and read now and contribute more, and I won’t leave anymore short comments because I don’t want to waste your limited energy – moderating this must be a lot of work. I really wanted to immediately underline though that locking down that precious gynergy is what Peterson and his ilk are all about.

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  30. While I’m at it, let me say something about sluts. Sluts fundamentally don’t understand women who aren’t sluts except to judge us for not being as “successful” as they are. So if you come from a long line of sluts like I do, and you aren’t a slut yourself, don’t expect any of them to help you if you ever need anything bc like all resourced people, they seem to think it’s because there is something awesome about themselves that they’ve managed to accumulate anything, and everyone else is beneath them and can go pound sand. They are extremely bitter about it too, which really isn’t fair because if they are just naturally better than everyone else you would think they would be grateful for being so gifted but they aren’t. They are also extremely lucky if their man is a reasonably good accumulator bc not all of them are. If they were, JP would be out of a job.

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  31. I always thought the perfect life would be to be a nun/monk/whatever basically without any of the religious crap. All I ever wanted was a life where I could be somewhere quiet and peaceful where I could read and learn and figure out stuff. Hearing about Gregor Mendel (the “father of genetics” who was a monk) getting to quietly examine the pea plants and watch nature and come to conclusions on what he saw sounded so amazing to have that kind of peace and ability to spend life learning.

    But I wasn’t raised with any religion and when I was old enough to understand it I just saw it as a bunch of nonsense that was a source of oppression for women. So when I learned about nuns and stuff like that I wished there was something like that, that didn’t have anything to do with religion. Where I could just quietly learn and there would be other women to work together with to do all the tasks of life.

    If I lived in another time where the only options were marrying some old man and having a bunch of kids, prostitution, or religion I would absolutely have been a nun and prayed to whatever god they told me so I could have peace and get to read all those books.

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  32. I wonder if nuns actually ever get what they were promised (to be female monks basically) or if it’s all just the same shit for them as it is for us: 95% less “good” stuff than we imagined and ten (a hundred? a million?) times the shit we hoped to avoid, or never saw coming. I think I probably know the answer to that.

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  33. Oh it’s definitely not what they promise for nuns. The nuns still have to worry about getting raped by the religious guys. They probably manage to sneak in more domestic labor for the nuns somehow too. Though at some time and some place with particularly strong female leaders and isolation it probably was.

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