Coronavirus Outbreak + 16 Million Americans on Immunity Decimating Biologics = ??

I just spent about 10 seconds doing a back-of-the-napkin estimate on how many Americans are currently taking immunity-decimating biologics to treat autoimmune disease and came up with a figure of up to 16 million.  I got that from the estimate of up to 24 million having a diagnosed autoimmune disease and this estimate that 2/3 of diagnosed rheumatoid arthritis patients are taking biologics.  The figure of up to 16 million immunocompromised AI patients does not count those who are taking immunity-decimating chemotherapy or steroids to manage their autoimmune disease, but those have to be substantial as well, as the first line of defense is often steroids which leaves people vulnerable to infection.  For example, when I was first prescribed Prednisone to treat my Crohn’s disease, my research indicated that I should not use tampons to absorb my menstrual flow because my immune system would be lowered and having a wad of cotton festering in my vagina for 8 hours at a time could more easily become septic.

Who knows what the actual numbers are, but we can see that on any given day we have many millions of Americans and tens or hundreds of millions of people globally taking immunity-decimating medications to “treat” their autoimmune disease, leaving these people vulnerable to secondary infections like tuberculosis, hepatitis, fungal infections and more.  People with an ounce of sense, and who aren’t rendered temporarily insane/incompetent due to ongoing unmanageable pain and symptoms of disease, will rightly be concerned about the so-called side effects (iatrogenic illness and injury) of these medications including the effect (injury) of lowering their natural immunity to infectious disease.  Some of us have decided that destroying our immune systems, as dysfunctional as they may be, is not a reasonable solution to our problems, especially considering that biologics and other toxic medications often don’t even work, work well, or work for long to treat our pain and symptoms.

And for those of us who grew up amongst the 1980s AIDS epidemic, we grew up understanding how important our immune systems are and how deadly serious it is to have a compromised immune system for any reason.  We grew into and beyond puberty under what can only be described as a domestic terror campaign against “unprotected sex” in order that we not compromise our immune systems because we knew what could happen if we did: suffering from full-blown AIDS we would probably die a horrific death of secondary infections and cancers, covered in unhealing sores, starving to death from nausea and gastrointestinal effects, driven half out of our minds.  Of course, today, full-blown AIDS is not a given for many who contract HIV which virus is now manageable if not treatable.  And anyone who develops AIDS (assuming they have access to medical care) will be aggressively treated with immune bolstering treatments so as to avoid the hellish AIDS-related deaths we all saw happening in the media and which many people also experienced firsthand in our own communities, homes and lives.

But the hellish, unrelenting agony of un- or undertreated AI disease makes people do crazy things (like voluntarily taking immunity-decimating drugs) as does an authoritarian worldview, where people uncritically consume Western medical goods and services without question, even trusting our doctors to (essentially) give us AIDS in order to somehow make us feel better.  People taking biologics are told to utilize handwashing and to (somehow) avoid being exposed to contagious disease, which obviously is impossible.  And they are told to avoid anything that might bolster their natural immunity, which would be antithetical to being deliberately treated with biologics, the entire point of which is to suppress our natural immunity which is unfortunately attacking us, even as it continues protecting us from pathogens in our environment.  In this study, the number one cause of death in “aggressively treated” rheumatoid arthritis patients was pneumonia, a contagious, infectious disease to which healthy people with functioning immune systems normally do not succumb.  Of course, as we know, untreated AIDS patients routinely died from pneumonia in the 1980s.

So where does that leave us today?  For the last month or so, we have heard reports coming out of China of a highly contagious, infectious Coronavirus which epidemic is getting more serious by the hour.  In that country, in an unprecedented move, some 50 million people have been “locked down” under a restrictive travel ban in order to avoid the contagion spreading to other regions and nations, otherwise known as quarantine.  Those displaying flu-like symptoms are being even more stringently isolated.  Dozens if not hundreds have died, and that was before we heard the chilling news that the disease appears to be airborne and has a long incubation period of 10-14 days, during which the infected are highly contagious, even before they themselves know they are sick.  That means that people who feel well have been unknowingly exposing others to infection for up to 2 weeks as they go about their business.  The numbers of infected and dead are therefore expected to continue to rise exponentially in the coming days and weeks, and cases are being reported in other countries as well, including in the United States.

This kind of contagious environmental pathogen is exactly the kind of thing our natural immune systems are designed to protect us from, but tens if not hundreds of millions of people globally are immunocompromised due to taking biologic and other immunity-decimating drugs to “treat” (meaning to possibly somewhat manage some of the symptoms of) autoimmune disease.  And most of these people are women.  While no one knows how the Coronavirus outbreak will play out, autoimmune patients treating with immunity-decimating drugs have been playing roulette this whole time, putting themselves at risk for serious, often life-threatening secondary infections on their best day, under normal conditions, being exposed to everyday pathogens that are known and at least somewhat treatable.  At any time, hundreds of thousands are likely already dealing with secondary infections as the expected course of their treatment with biologics.

No one knows what the effect will be of an unanticipated outbreak on an already immunocompromised population, let alone the possible effects on those who are already infected with tuberculosis, pneumonia, brain infections, C-diff and sepsis due to their treatment with biologics, steroids and chemo, and trying to recover from that, on top of dealing with the unrelenting, progressive effects of their underlying AI disease.

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48 thoughts on “Coronavirus Outbreak + 16 Million Americans on Immunity Decimating Biologics = ??

  1. There are so many things about this that are a pop culture nightmare. The last season/reboot of The X-Files (2017?) was about an immunity-decimating contagion/plague that was so terrifying it was expected to literally be the end of the world. IRL the immunity-decimating process is a medication to treat something else. People are just giving up their immune systems willy nilly by the millions. I’m not surprised the reboot didn’t get additional seasons since being afraid of en-masse compromised immunity is like soooooo 1990s. No one even cares about that anymore apparently. Or maybe they just don’t want to scare people by calling attention to what they are already doing without thinking?

    All of this also reminds me very much of trannyism where people subject themselves to lifelong serious medical treatments, procedures and toxic medications as if that’s the only and last thing that’s ever going to happen to them. They think having whatever amount of medical interventions, including pain, complications, medical mistakes/malpractice and recovery time is acceptable, but they are still at risk for everything everyone is at risk for every day. Trannies are going to be dealing with all the normal stuff on top of the tranny stuff. Just like AI patients are still at risk for the normal everyday stuff on top of the AI stuff. It’s not like they are trading one for the other, it’s all added-on. Do they even think about that? Does anyone?

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  2. Meanwhile global human infrastructure is being rocked by extreme climate change events leading to inevitable supply chain failures, then leading to the unlikelihood that any hi-tech solutions will appear.

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  3. That’s an excellent point Mary, thank you for that. People need to start thinking for themselves immediately if the truth is at all important to them. When Bill Gates tells us that the solution to global poverty is getting all 8 billion humans a laptop for example, people need to recognize that Bill Gates is an opportunistic prick and possibly even insane. The realities of the supply chain is exactly why his fantasy cannot possibly ever come to fruition, let alone actually work to alleviate global poverty. And people relying on medical technologies moving forward are really fooling themselves. Imagine having an ostomy for example when the supply chain fails. That is literally the shit of nightmares innit.

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  4. And it should go without saying, but probably doesn’t, that this is not about “shaming” people with ostomies or those to take biologics or those to believe Bill Gates’ lies. As it always is, this is about cause and effect, not shame. People spend so much time in men’s fake world of morality and ethics that they have lost all awareness and respect for cause and effect, foreseeable outcomes and natural consequences. Mary is the only one here right now and I know Mary gets cause and effect. Not many do and it makes me so fucking crazy. If anyone doesn’t grok cause and effect as opposed to shame I cannot communicate with you.

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  5. Shame kills. It is as deadly as the males who invented it to divert us from our own understanding and self-love. I see it killing my daughter, destroying her chances, suffocating her. And myself.

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  6. I always think about insulin, in regards to the supply chain.

    I know of 2 people in my area that have died in the past year because they could not afford to buy insulin. And they have relatives that consider life to be PRECIOUS.

    The cognitive dissonance is just fucking astounding.

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  7. I’ve been concerned about the supply chain ever since I’ve been reliant on products to stay functional, including organic food and mmj. I can’t afford supplements or other products anymore so I guess the supply chain on those don’t affect me anymore (except that I’m sick and can’t get what I need). It predictably and correctly creates such anxiety, and then people are feeling anxious so they go to their doctors for medicine to tamp it down. Medicine which will not always be available, and which have serious withdrawal effects if anyone ever needs to stop them abruptly for any reason, including when/if the supply chain fails. Which would also tend to produce anxiety. And around it goes.

    One of the mommy vloggers I watch recently said that she told her doctor that her anxiety is through the roof. He told her that “there is absolutely no reason” she should be feeling so anxious so put her on meds, or upped the dose, or whatever. :/ It’s hard not to have regrets when I’m in such a shitty situation myself but damn, when I review all the options (again and again) its clear I made the sanest choice, to get out from under Big Pharma and to try to find another way to live. My way isn’t really working either of course, which means that there really is NO way to live anymore. Every avenue is a fucking dead end esp when you are chronically ill and need any specialty products at all, even unpoisoned food and plant-based medicine. And “growing your own” has roots in the supply chain too, not to mention you pretty much have to be physically well to manage it (or have help).

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  8. OMG what an insane thought that is, unpoisoned food and plant medicine are specialty products! It’s absolutely true though. And then there’s no such thing as them actually being unpoisoned anymore so it’s really just less poisoned.

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  9. Males love scarcity. That’s why they create so much of it. They enjoy causing fear and anxiety, and scarcity is the best way to do that.

    Corporations, with a lot of assistance from the government, have a lock on everything. With the supply chain, one tiny disruption, and millions of people will die from lack of food, medicine, etc., and if the scarcity doesn’t kill you, then someone next to you will kill you, just to take what you have.

    We all know this, so, of COURSE we are all fucking anxious.

    I have some space to grow food, but my ground is poisoned. And I was the one that poisoned it.

    A few years ago, I had cucumbers growing on my fence. They are a vine, they need something to climb, and they are a pretty plant. The county has this inspector guy, he does nothing but ride around, looking for violations of new laws that the local government keeps inventing to suck yet more money from lower income people. Our county is now one big homeowners association.

    Anyway, males passed a law that year that we can’t grow plants or vines on our fences. He saw mine, and he inspected my yard with a fine tooth comb. I ended up with 8 or 10 violations, I can’t remember them all. All of them were straight up bullshit, and mostly about trees and plants in my yard, that my trees and plants have to be exactly as males demand, or the county sends a crew out to do it, at a huge cost that I must pay, or they seize my property and arrest me for not paying.

    He “suggested” that I use round up, because if I just cut it, a lot of it would grow back and he would be at me again. So. I poisoned my ground with that shit. I didn’t really have a choice.

    I just read about a woman that lost her entire garden to the local government, that came out and dug it up because she was only allowed to use her own land as males allow, and they don’t want us to be able to grow our own. They have the same reaction to tiny houses. Males don’t like for anyone to have to much independence or freedom of movement, so they legislate tight control, especially on women.

    You are right, there is no way to live, anymore. But we all know, that is the intent. Because males love creating misery. It probably gives them a boner, since that is the only reason that they do anything, really, as far as I can see.

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  10. I technically have “space” to grow outside if I used raised beds but I would have to haul water as there is deliberately no spigot in the back yards. This is the only time I’ve ever had a private/fenced yard as part of my living space at any place I’ve ever rented and I really like it. I can’t use it to its potential but at least I can get some fresh air everyday and let my cats out. Luckily they aren’t big jumpers. Speaking of Roundup, I suspect that my old landlords’ constantly spraying everything with Roundup has caused some health problems with my cats. It probably didn’t do me any favors either. The old man used to spend all day running fences and squirting Roundup on everything, including all the sidewalk cracks where Mama and Chili were walking and playing. I didn’t realize he was doing it until he left his sprayer out one day and it said Roundup right on the side. But you can’t really get away from it honestly. The apartment I’m in now is on the end of a row and everyone’s water runoff comes down the row and through my yard when it rains. The first month I was here, it came into the apartment. Whatever my neighbors are putting on their yards is ending up in mine even if I don’t use anything. And everything is infested with cheat grass here, which is an invasive weed with prickers that are so gnarly they can kill animals if they get into their skin. The prickers travel to the animals hearts and they die. I’m sure people are using Roundup to kill it.

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  11. I watched a documentary a while back on Netflix about Dupont, and how they poisoned the entire world with a chemical. This was discovered when Dupont tried to test the effect of the chemical, and they needed people that had never been exposed to it for the testing, and they discovered that everyone on the planet had been exposed.

    I live in a big tomato area, and when you grow them, they have to be attached to a stake, because if the tomato touches the ground, it rots. Old people in my area tell me that when they were kids, that they never did that, that tomatoes could lie on the ground, and be fine, like watermelon does.

    I have had 4 dogs die of cancer. I think that comes from the water.

    You are right. We can’t escape it. I really try to not be just deeply saddened, all of the time. The biggest part of that is knowing that everyone could have, in the very least, a reasonably pleasant life. But it was stolen. For really no reason at all.

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  12. Yes that is definitely the saddest part of all of this. There is no real reason for any of this other than for men to play their insane games. We already have the technology to make this world a paradise with no need for scarcity and most problems fixed or improved, but they will never let us. Instead they are actually making it so we can’t even grow food for ourselves. The more you think about how absurd that is the harder it gets to deal with. Imagine someone from the past when there was actual scarcity before all this technology, seeing this where there’s plenty of food but the government spends their time making sure people don’t have it, they wouldn’t even be able to wrap their head around it.

    It’s much harder to deal with mentally than if there just wasn’t enough of everything and we actually did have to fight to get resources. Seeing the abundance wasted, seeing everything poisoned, seeing how we can’t go anywhere to be free even on land we own is all too much. It’s very hard to not just be sad and angry all the time.

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  13. That sounds so ominous about the tomatoes. Like they are so unnatural they can’t touch the Earth. It’s very scary. Tomatoes are my favorite food and I eat then everyday.

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  14. I imagine you would have to go back many thousands of years to find a time and a place where the rulers did not restrict people’s access to food when it suited them (or always like now). Maybe to the beginning of agriculture 10,000 years ago which was probably the first time they even could. If they can do something they will.

    Seeing everything being poisoned is very difficult to take, as is knowing there is literally nowhere to go to escape it. The defeat/entrapment the suicidologists are talking about now is very apt. I feel pretty comfortable admitting that I have been defeated at this point. Meanwhile I hear other feminists talking about how counterproductive or toxic it is to be “defeatist”. What the fuck does that even mean, when the defeat is real? There was a war and we lost. That’s what colonization means, and we have been completely colonized/disenfranchised now if we can’t even get clean food and water and our bodies down to the genetic level are being attacked and destroyed.

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  15. I read about a native American concept, I am probably going to misspell it, but it is something like “wetieko”. It’s a theory that some people are just big black holes that suck everything up and just enjoy causing misery.

    Sounds familiar to me.

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  16. I refuse to deny reality.

    We are all suffering, and it is being caused purposely. I have some health issues, I am getting older, I lack resources, just like a lot of us. I refuse to be an idiot, too.

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  17. I’m about as southern as you can get in the US, lived here all my life. It’s so perfect for growing plants here but I’ve never been anywhere I had the opportunity to really grow plants outside with being crammed into small spaces. Even when I was living in a nice sized house with my partner, the house was crammed next to other houses. It’s extremely frustrating living in city/suburb life and I’ve grown to find it intolerable.

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  18. It’s always when something is bad the language is about people, like wetieko are “people” who enjoy causing misery. But then whenever men want to say how great they are it’s about what “mankind” does. Then they’re usually just stealing women’s ideas anyway.

    I wonder what the percentage of things that men did legitimately invent, and not just steal, would be if we could somehow know. And then if you disregarded the inventions made for torture and killing how low would the numbers go?

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  19. Back in old country -we had these wondrous things called Dachas :
    small portions of country land with a shack \simple cabin. Ours was on a river too
    In pre-communist times – only the upper class had those. Soviets took that land & divided it between everybody. Russians access those & (sometimes via a job) to this day

    In lean 90s – people used those to grow the extra produce they had no money to buy. Our tomatoes were the world’s tastiest + meatiest. The closest I came to that tomato taste was on my LA trip

    Oh, Jayne – what i wouldn’t give to be in your gen. – if that meant i had SOME years to LIVE a little before getting really ill. It’s depressing to see sprightlier-than-me old people around. I’ve been in free-fall since. If only I KNEW that earlier —-i’d have given no fucks& lived the life I wanted in the moment. Instead i speant the limited years on offer – studying my arse off for a life which I only got a brief taste of &sacrificing for ungrateful relatives

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  20. Hi C.R.E. …. this isn’t really a comment, but rather a couple of links that you will find interesting on the subject of chronic illness. I’ve broken the links in obvious ways to run around your spam filter.

    ‘Trust Me, I’m Sick,’ A Female-Led Documentary Series on Chronic Illness
    https://medtruth.com/articles/health-features/trust-me-im-sick/

    and then the doco’s on website:

    Trust Me, I’m Sick was produced entirely by a team of women who all have personal experiences with chronic illness themselves
    https://www.trustmeimsick.com/

    Mary

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  21. OK I just watched the series. I can’t relate, but it made me think. Is there anyone out there who is interested in doing a project on chronic illness that addresses noncompliers who decline to participate in Big Medicine because they learn from experience that it doesn’t work? Or one that addresses medical abuse, medical mistakes and medical trauma and how that makes us worse? The most relatable segment of the series for me was when the 18 year old said she fell at the hospital and the nurses were just screaming at her to GET UP! GET UP! and how her mom was following their lead until the girl just asked her mom to be her mother instead of one of these abusive Nurse Ratcheds. That has special relevance to me bc my mother literally is a nurse. Kids of doctors and nurses (like me) only ever get the abuse/neglect boot camp tactics that most people get to leave behind when they leave the hospital. But at the same time I couldn’t relate to this girl at all bc she is just a child, and has had at least 3 “unnecessary surgeries” and gets all her nutrition from a fucking picc line. All these people are accepting medical treatment including extended hospital stays, organ transplants, insulin, using trained assistance animals, taking preventative HIV meds (instead of just not exposing themselves to fucking HIV) and they are all either still working full time or being supported by their parents and partners. None of them are worried about being homeless, and if they are, that was not addressed. None of this is my experience. I feel like the series was very mainstream, which of course it was. I wonder what a non-mainstream project about chronic illness would even look like. I have the terrible feeling that it looks like what I’m creating here, and no one is reading or cares.

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  22. Hm I know I’ve seen stuff about medical mistakes before. That’s definitely a thing. But I think it was still in the context of, “even though the medical system is great and all, doctors are human and sometimes make horrific mistakes.” I don’t remember seeing any documentary actually address all the abuse or talk about unnecessary interventions or come close to saying how fucked up this all is. I’ve read lots of people analyzing the abuse in the system and how especially abusive it is to women. Plus about how a lot of the doctors are perverts, which honestly, duh of course they are because lots of men are. I saw an article recently how a doctor filmed his exams and put them on a porn site because men will jerk off to literally anything. Absolutely anything a woman does might be made into porn and they love masturbating to sick and injured women. I also saw somewhere where a dude filmed this lady with a prosthetic leg just getting out of her car and walking around and put that on a porn site.

    But most people are not going to be doing extensive reading on anything really. I don’t think most people even read for fun do they? I think it’s like considered weird now and they’re mostly watching stupid reality TV and other such nonsense. Plus I don’t think they masses of people really care much about anything that is not happening to them or someone close to them either. So the most likely way to get people to actually listen would be a documentary that really makes people feel emotional about the things that are being done to people, especially if they showed it happening to kids. But to do that would be extremely subversive and I don’t think many people are actually willing to go against the system in such an obvious way.

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  23. Yes that’s exactly it, the context is never a comprehensive or subversive context, it’s always compartmentalized and normalized. I wonder if anyone with video creating and editing experience would be interested in creating something in that format that’s truly subversive and whether the format even matters. I think any project would have to begin with medical school where anyone who wants to continue has to torture animals in their lab classes, and the phenomenon of med student and doctor suicides of those who can’t or won’t torture humans and animals in pursuit of their educations and careers. Meaning that the “good people” with consciences and a desire to help and a real aversion to causing harm are self-selected out of the profession. Then I would like to see the differences in male and female immune systems addressed. Why should female AI patients be letting doctors fuck with our immune systems including taking immunity decimating drugs that were probably only tested on men? Then medical trauma needs to be addressed in a real way. My parents never considered trauma AT ALL in deciding to subject their children to medical and other interventions. My dad violently kidnapped me when I was 13 which probably fucked me up for life. If they did consider trauma at all, they used it deliberately to harm and control us.

    As for addressing what Big Medicine does to kids, that really is taboo, and I think it’s bc if you address it at all, you end up “shaming” parents for putting their kids through it and we all know that we aren’t allowed to SHAME anyone bc that’s like the worst social crime there is these days. Let alone that that’s the shallowest reading of any criticism of what people do and why they do it. And also leaving alone the role of shame and social ostracisation historically, which is a very powerful motivator to get people to stop doing shitty and ultimately harmful things to themselves and others. I’ve even stopped short of addressing what Big Medicine does to children bc I knew how it would be received and I didn’t think it would be productive to SHAME parents for what they are letting doctors do to their kids. Everyone would just say, if they had any thoughtful response at all, that they have no choice and are forced/coerced to comply on behalf of their kids, which they are. Cause and effect being meaningless of course, bc everyone just wants to be emotionally manipulative and silence writers instead of looking at how things actually work.

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  24. I’m watching this rn. Somewhere towards the middle Dr. Breggin talks about how he “had to” participate in giving electroshock to patients in order to get his psychiatry degree even tho he knew it was wrong. He did it anyway, and he is supposed to be one of the good ones. Ugh.

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  25. It’s like that saying “don’t shoot the messenger” because people want to blame the ones who tell them about bad things and inhibit their ability to deny it all. That is definitely a thing.

    That sounds like it would make a really good documentary. I always wanted to do documentaries. I thought I would learn all kinds of things, become a scientist doing some research stuff, and make documentaries about it and try to get people involved doing stuff to make our situations better. IDK maybe I still might.

    The format you present information absolutely does matter. To start with like I was saying, most people don’t even read much so just writing something already means a lot of people won’t ever see it. Then documentaries can convey so much that you can’t with words. You can actually see the people and more easily form emotional attachments to them then see what they are going through and feel upset about it. And they way you format it all has to be orderly and succinct that lets people take it the information all at once. It would be able to reach so many more people if there were filmmakers brave enough to expose all this and put it out in people’s faces.

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  26. The psychiatrist giving electroshock to the patient and knowing it’s wrong sounds like the Milgram experiment where they tested to see if people would shock other people when prompted by an authority figure, even when the one who was supposedly getting shocked but actually acting, was begging for them to stop. People mostly just complied and kept issuing the shocks like they were told even though they thought they were inflicting severe pain on someone who was pleading for them not too. A bunch of the subjects got really disturbed by it afterwards.

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  27. The whole animal torture thing is really enough for me to hate doctors really. I wonder if the people running all this are doing it purposely, like breaking the young students into going along with horrific things. Or if they are just so evil they don’t even think of what they are doing as evil.

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  28. The Milgrim study was supposed to say how the Germans were just awful and Americans wouldn’t act like that. Surprise surprise they acted just the same and listened to any authority figure telling them to do awful stuff.

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  29. I read something recently, I can’t remember where, that so-called “antisocial” people or those with problematic social behaviors or whatever are actually better people bc they will say NO and refuse to do shitty things. Whereas “good” people who are admired and liked will do whatever shitty thing anyone asks/demands bc their whole “nice” act is really just them doing whatever they have to do to “get along” with the group, no matter what it requires. And the people who were the least likely to do shitty things were women with a background in social activism. That sounds about right to me. I think the women activists were even specifically radical feminists, which makes sense. The liberal feminists are too dick pleasing to be truly moral.

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  30. That definitely sounds right. Most of popularity is just going along with the group and being “nice” by now making waves.

    I think most of what “liberal feminism” is though is young and naive women who don’t know much yet who are still thinking about stuff like “equality” and “overcoming oppression” and not about stuff like dealing with the legacy of thousands of years of enslavement and torture and the reality of being surrounded by vicious predators.

    It’s a hard thing to come to terms with when you really see the full picture and extremely difficult to reconcile all these facts when you have a man or men in your life you love.

    I always thought what was presented as “feminism” in the mainstream was severely lacking long before I knew there was anything else out there. I wondered why there was so much more focus on stuff like “the wage gap” than all the raping and beating. And when they talk about the wage gap why don’t they talk about how women quit jobs from being terrorized by men or constantly belittled and what the consequences are for women who don’t make enough because of all this, that they will be vulnerable to victimization from men. But it’s all presented like it’s just little problems that need tweaking. Women just need to be more assertive and the male bosses need a few sensitivity classes or something, no biggie.

    I didn’t understand at all though how that’s purposely presented like that to keep women down though. Everything is shown as, there is a lot that needs fixing but we’re totally working on it! It’s not that bad and it will be great soon. The brainwashing is so severe. A lot of it never “took” in me to begin with but I don’t think anyone can escape all of it. I’ve been deprogramming what did take in my brain for the past several years. It’s so confusing trying to figure out what’s not a lie.

    I had never even heard the term radical feminism until a few years ago. The only reason I even came across it was because of the tranny nonsense. I was reading the mainstream feminism stuff and feeling like there was just nothing substantial out there going on. Then I found Sheila Jeffreys and Andrea Dworkin and Femonade and this whole set of blogs by all these women that are like this underground movement, that you never see unless you are looking for something.

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  31. It really is a whole new way of looking at the world. The legacy of 10,000 years of deliberate oppression of women by men, and how that is still what entire civilizations and cultures are built on, even so-called counter-cultures. I remember one day I was at work and me and the staff were standing around casually talking and one of the guys was trying to convince me of something, like that he was wronged by a woman somehow and I told all of them in a kidding way (bc I’m fucking hilarious) that I will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS side with the woman no matter what. When asked why I said because it’s not my first day. Someone said not your first day as a lawyer? I said no, not my first day being alive on this planet lol. The men laughed sheepishly while the women seemed truly delighted. The office manager’s husband was there and he started giving hypotheticals to test my resolve. The best one he could come up with was, what if his wife came to work one day with his head in a duffel bag? I told them all that I would assume he had done something to deserve it lol. And I meant every word. He was a piece of shit who had his grown brothers move into their house without asking her, and they all expected her to mother all of them even as they deliberately drove her insane. It was a casual office and I had been there long enough to fool around with them and they were all ok people, even the men, like they weren’t any worse than anyone else, they were just men. And its like I knew all their secrets. I bet they all remember that too. The one time in life they had probably heard anyone say what everyone else knows but no one ever talks about. I remember it too obvs. For once in my life I wasn’t playing dumb. Idk what came over me honestly. I was in a kidding mood I guess, and the super hot Taye Diggs looking male receptionist with the “crazy ex” and young daughter was trying to charm me in front of everyone. It didn’t work.

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  32. Lol right, if I hear a woman had a man’s head in a bag I would assume too that he had done something so horrific to her probably for many years that she reacted the only logical way she could but if it was the other way around I would think he probably cut off her head to jerk off to. All the horrible things men do aren’t even a secret to anyone but we still can’t talk about them without getting some kind of backlash about it. But if you joke about stuff it’s all okay though. If you’re funny you can say anything. It’s very interesting. I think the more disturbed I’ve gotten the funnier I’ve become. I crack myself up all the time now and keep thinking maybe I should write this shit down and be a comedian. I never thought I was particularly funny before or tried to be and was much more serious.

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  33. When men talk about how they are wronged by women and/or the system, even if they actually were I just honestly don’t care at all anymore. Like go cry to your fucking bros dude and leave women out of it entirely we already have too much to deal with and I don’t see more than a couple men here and there doing anything helpful for us. Even those few are suspect because they usually have some ulterior motive, it’s just another way to get sex from women or to get something.

    I am totally fine with some miniscule amount of genuinely good men getting screwed over to not see their kids in order to keep the masses of perverts and other abusers out of their children’s lives. I have a hard time believing that this is a thing at all that any woman would keep their child away from the father who is perfectly nice and good just to be mean to him. It’s way more likely that she knows something awful about him and is just keeping it to herself, for all the reasons. She’ll be blamed no matter what anyways.

    I will definitely always side with women.

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  34. Also shaming definitely needs to be brought back. It used to be this whole cultural force to keep “people” (men for anyone being honest) from engaging in destructive behavior. Tribal groups have all these mechanisms to limit selfish behavior that we no longer have.

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  35. I don’t care about the good guys getting fucked over either. Life is risk bro. They literally want to live life without risk, to get into relationships without risk, to have children without risk. They want their risk to be subsidized by the community, which means that women pay the price as usual. What protection do women get from the unintended consequences of their actions? What is there to compensate us when we get fucked over? Nothing. If they were truly good guys they would not expect their risk to be subsidized by the community aka women.

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  36. About the kids in the medical system, you know about how they can basically do whatever they want to them right? Then they still have the parents to blame is something goes wrong but if they’re okay then it means the doctors are great and fabulous and all.

    I read on another radical feminism blog somewhere how this 17 year old girl who was about to be 18 and so legally an adult soon, was diagnosed with some sort of cancer or something where they insisted she needed surgery. She made the decision not to do it and her mom supported her right to make decisions over her own body. They tried to get away but they forcibly caught her and tied her down like she was an escaped criminal so they could inflict the unwanted procedures on her against her will. They just have to say it’s for “the good of the child” and the kid and parents have no rights to fight against them.

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  37. Yes I recall posting a link to that somewhere. She was 17 so not allowed to legally say NO to unwanted medical procedures, but plenty old enough to legally say YES to sex. Not that she was having sex, just that that’s the outcome of men’s age of consent laws for various things. In the end, they always get to do whatever they want. They also force medical procedures and treatments on very young children, but the hypocrisy about her age and what she was and was not able to “consent” to due to her age was striking to me. And in her case, her mom did do everything she could to support the daughter’s choice and it didn’t matter. But maybe it’s still better for her this way. At least she didn’t have to suffer the additional trauma of being fucked over and unsupported by her own mother. At least she wasn’t betrayed (except by her culture).

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  38. Her culture and her community, I should say. If people can form a human shield around undocumented immigrants to protect them from ICE they could surely do the same thing for a mother trying to protect her child from Big Medicine, or anyone trying to escape medical trauma for that matter. Communities could decide to do that if they wanted to, for a lot of things. But they almost never do.

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  39. Yeah consent is all just a big trick. They just recently in the past couple years made it illegal for men to marry children down here. That was pretty shocking to find out that was still legal though I don’t think anything shocks me now anymore. If they got their rape victim pregnant they were fully legally allowed to marry them with no punishment… Supposedly that’s considered statutory rape even if the girl says it’s okay because she’s considered a child to the law no matter what but marriage to the rapey old man suddenly makes it all okay. It’s like straight out of biblical times and this was legal a few years ago. This woman who had been forced to marry her rapist, who was a priest, when she was a young teenager and made to be his “wife” for years led the fight against that loophole for men to marry girls and managed to make it illegal now at least.

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  40. The communities seem to be just ignoring everything that isn’t happening to them personally. There isn’t really community anymore. All it does is allow the most horrible men to run wild with nothing to stop them. Everyone for themselves.

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