The Post In Which I Mom-Shame. Sorry Not Sorry.

This was and is the absolute last straw.  I have been writing health and medical-related content on this blog for almost 2 years now and I have deliberately avoided this topic because I knew how it would be received.  Mothers have been criticized and punished for their choices (and their femaleness) forever and now that we are all enlightened and feminist and shit, mothers and motherhood are beyond reproach.  I know because the internet said so!  Mom-shaming is right out, no one is allowed to criticize women who conceive, gestate, birth and/or raise children for anything because liberal feminism and besides, under patriarchy, women’s and mothers’ choices are artificially limited and (therefore) coerced so the fucked up things women “choose” for themselves and their children are not women’s fault.  Radical feminism supposes that the things women choose are not even choices at all.

First as a liberal feminist and later as a radical, I accepted one or the other of these rationalizations for a long time and refused to criticize women and mothers on feminist grounds, where women as oppressed people previously and/or currently lack the social and political power to be fully actualized, engaged human beings and the central agents in their own lives.  Between feminist arguments centering agency and non-agency (liberal and radical viewpoints respectively) women and mothers have secured a free pass to do and choose anything, absolutely anything, regardless of the consequences to themselves or to other people, or to animals, or to the living planet.  Rather than examining cause and effect — meaning the intended and unintended consequences of our action and inaction — somehow “shame” has become the focus and women are not to be shamed, and by shamed we apparently mean held accountable for their own actions.

For one reason and then another, cause and effect have been deemed irrelevant to women and women’s choices and women’s interactions with our world — well, with mensworld as it were.  Before feminism, women were simply expected to do what they were told and they usually did.  But cause and effect are always relevant so long as we are alive on this planet because cause and effect is consistent with natural law.  Get it?  There are laws that have existed longer than humans, longer than civilization, longer than patriarchy, and which sure as hell predate feminism, and for a long, long time we have acted as if these natural laws were unimportant, or less important than other things.  Less important than men’s laws.  More recently, less important than not-shaming women.  This has been our mindset for thousands of years by now — at least 10,000 years by my estimation, which was approximately the beginning of agriculture where humans sought to overcome or tame nature to our own ends.

We did this, we chose this, and we have been doing it and choosing it for a long time.  Where we are now could be said to be the result of 10,000 years of that unnatural/patriarchal policy and practice of eschewing natural law.  And where are we?  I don’t think it would be exaggerating to say that we are in hell, utter hell, and if the above-linked article isn’t the perfect illustration of that type and degree of hell then I don’t know what is.

This woman gave birth to a child who was born with no anus, a missing kidney, a neurologically dysfunctional colon and bladder and a tethered spine.  He was therefore temporarily stomatized for fecal collection as an infant and would later require laxatives and enemas daily for life to eliminate waste through a surgically-constructed “anus” and would likewise need to be catheterized every 3-4 hours for life in order to pee.  The child was in pain every moment of every day and night even though his doctors were certain his conditions weren’t painful, and their negligence including misdiagnoses and complications from his spinal surgeries caused his bowel and bladder conditions to become even more debilitating and more painful than they would’ve been without their help.  And that’s saying something isn’t it.

This child was born with a single kidney and without an ass (no hole and no cheeks) couldn’t pee and had a malformed spine (tethered spine is a neurological problem closely related to spina bifida) and these literal mother fuckers managed to make him worse.  When he woke up screaming a dozen times a night the doctors told his mother that he wasn’t in pain and therefore, to let him cry it out.  It took 18 months and yet another specialist to eventually conclude that the baby was in agony and wracked with excruciating bladder spasms which disallowed him to sleep.  Seeing pee in his diapers for 18 months, everyone assumed he was urinating the normal way.  He wasn’t.  He was actually unable to pee at all but the spasms made him incontinent of urine.  And being chronically unable to empty his bladder when it was full caused further damage.  Despite this, the baby managed to be happy and playful during his days, but his nights were unbearable.  18 months worth.  When the mother learned this, she cried.

And she should cry, mkay?  Sorry not sorry, but this woman should be fucking ashamed.  I strongly suspect she knows it too, and that’s what the tears were about.  Just as I strongly suspect (well, I know) that she likely had people all around her telling her that it wasn’t her fault, that she did nothing wrong, that she had no choice, that’s not exactly true is it?  She did have a choice, and she chose to give her nonviable infant over to doctors to medically treat him.  She chose to trust/believe them when they told her he felt no pain and to ignore his agonized screams.  She let sadistic men torture her nonviable infant and later, her seriously, chronically ill child.  No one did that but her.  And I contend that this woman and her actions — where she gave birth to a nonviable infant and served him up to Big Medicine on a silver platter so it could have its gnarly way with him — were unconscionable and unforgivable, and not consistent with natural law.  In fact, her actions were unconscionable and unforgivable because they were inconsistent with natural law.

That has to be our criteria for what is shameful or not, for what is correct or not.  Doesn’t it?  We see what happens when we use other (unnatural, male-made) criteria to judge our actions and inactions: we end up here, after 10,000 years of women letting men do whatever the fuck they wanted to do, and to whomever and whatever they desired to do it.  After 10,000 years of women not protecting their kids, themselves or anyone or anything from male whims, fantasies and utter megalomania, and choosing to follow men’s law and to disregard natural law, we now exist in this hell-dimension where (among other horrors which are beyond the scope of this post) babies, young people and adults are ruthlessly tortured and made to endure pain of a type, degree and duration that has never been a part of the human experience ever.

And while I am not singling out any woman in particular, as this result has truly been a group effort across time and place, individual women are not — cannot be — beyond reproach.  Not when the acts of individuals form the acts of the collective, and our collective action and inaction has produced this result: nonviable infants are disallowed a natural death and instead are unnaturally revived, cut open and experimented on, affixed with man-made devices, and left to suffer for years, decades, and lifetimes, only to die without dignity either as a consequence of their disease or its treatment.

Because they will succumb early and likely suffer painsomnia (the inability to sleep due to chronic pain) these seriously ill people will never die peacefully, as elderly people asleep in their beds.  Being physically and/or mentally disabled or immobile they will likely be disallowed the dignity of an exciting death, where their pain and fear are tempered by naturally-produced endorphins and they go out with a bang.  Many seriously chronically ill people won’t even be well enough to end their lives on their own terms, or will be denied euthanasia when the time comes.  For anyone who doubts the hellish experience of people with chronic bowel dysfunction and elimination problems, I have written before about this man who was a nonviable infant stomatized at birth due to an unnervated colon (thanks, Mom!  And Grandma!  And 10-times great-Grandma!) and who lobbied successfully as an adult to be euthanized for the intractable pain and symptoms of his (allegedly) nonterminal Hirschprung disease.  In the end, he died of a bowel infection related to his illness for which he declined treatment.

This is not okay, this type, degree and duration of suffering via Big Medicine is not okay, and women and mothers should be ashamed for letting doctors do this to their children.  And very shortly thereafter, they should stop behaving shamefully and do the right thing, whatever that might be: that is, whatever is consistent with natural law.  And when I say anyone “should” do anything, I only mean in the natural sense that we disregard natural law for male-made laws at our (and everyone’s and everything’s) peril.  Cause and effect, ladies.  Cause and effect.

153 thoughts on “The Post In Which I Mom-Shame. Sorry Not Sorry.

  1. That article might be the most horrible thing I’ve ever read and that’s saying a lot. It’s like we’re in a giant concentration camp but most people can’t see it and walk happily to the experiment rooms and gas chambers. The problem though is how can one person refuse on their own? It’s like the 17 year old girl who tried to escape getting cut open and tortured from a “treatment” that she rejected. Her mom did her best to protect her and tried to get her away from these dangerous men but they just basically imprisoned her and tied her down to cut her up anyway. And this was someone who was basically an adult, a few months away from being legally able to make decisions. If this woman had rejected “treatment” for her baby they still would have done it but she would also be put in jail. The only way to effectively resist it would be to have enough people cooperating and that’s not likely to happen. On her own she would have literally had to kill the baby herself in order for it not to be tortured since they won’t euthanize unviable infants. It would still go against all her instincts to protect the baby. So she’s put in an impossible situation no matter what.

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  2. Hi anotherwoman. I still think its unconscionable to serve up nonviable infants for Big Medicine to torture. Perhaps the solution to that would be to stop telling men and authority figures that we are pregnant at all, and to not allow them to witness or interfere with the birth at all. Then and only then could we do what we wanted with the infant, whatever that was. The case of the 17 year old girl is harder. I’m proud of that mother for not betraying her child, but in the end, the responsibility still falls on her. It’s not about shame or anything else. That’s just the way it is. Mothers are responsible for the lives they create. Maybe having the baby at all was the original crime since she didnt have the power to protect her. Women need to fucking grok how powerless they are before they do things they regret bc they cant control.

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  3. Either admit you are powerless and stop doing stupid shit you cant control, or TAKE BACK power and control your outcomes. You can’t have it both ways. Oh, I’m so powerful, my body is awesome, I can create life, but concurrently oh boo hoo, I’m so powerless, men made me do it! Pick a lane goddammit. Goddammit! That article was truly awful. Thanks for reading it bc I couldnt just repeat it word for word (altho I think I included the gist).

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  4. It does seem like sort of a crime to bring life into this world at all. I think the only thing we can do at this point is refuse to reproduce because realistically we are pretty powerless. I feel so confused as to what other women are seeing that they think it’s a good idea. A bunch of my friends had kids really young, which surprised me because I thought that was an old fashioned thing, but I understand very young women not understanding much. But the women having kids in their thirties should really know better by now what a bad idea it is. I guess they don’t though. I don’t understand it. It’s like everyone lives in fantasy land.

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  5. Men absolutely should not have anything to do with birth whatsoever. I don’t think male doctors should have anything to do with women at all for anything really. They are too dangerous to us.

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  6. If women want to avoid this happening to them and their children, they will need to remove themselves from male society and be so far removed that they don’t even have access to these medical “miracles” even if they decide they want them. In addition to not telling anyone in authority that they are pregnant, when the time comes, the pregnant woman would probably have to have someone drive her out into the middle of nowhere, with no cell phone and no hope of rescue for several days if not several weeks if something goes wrong. Ideally she would have someone with her that could save her own life if that became necessary, but no one would be able to save a nonviable infant without access to these hideous technologies. A baby born without an anus would not live more than a couple of days in the natural world because it would not be able to eliminate waste. The mother could “protect” the infant all she liked, could cuddle with it, try to comfort it or whatever she wanted but she would not be able to save it. Some opium or even nicotine on a fingertip might relieve the infant’s pain, or hasten its death if desired. Then the child could be buried in the ground. This is the way it’s always been done, and if women aren’t willing to start doing that again, well, I don’t know what to tell you. We will all be getting what we deserve, I suppose, for our individual and collective failures. And it’s only going to get worse over time, the longer we let men get away with this shit. And I’m sure we will probably just let them keep doing whatever the fuck they want bc we apparently always have, or we have for a really long time.

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  7. They are for sure going to continue this nightmare because it would take such a collective push to change it that’s not going to happen. I think it’s pretty much only women who have at least some money who have to worry about these grotesque experiments being done though because they will just leave poor people to die even if it’s something fixable, but they will still likely find some way to punish the poor women anyway and say that it’s her fault.

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  8. One of my best friends growing up had a really hard life and a lot of problems she is now in severe pain from degenerative spine problems that are treatable with lots of money she will likely never have, and not even fixable. So she will definitely just live with it as it gets worse and worse. I think she has some other painful thing too that I can’t think of now.

    She’s really wanted a baby for a long time, who the hell knows why. She had such a hard life, it seems a lot of women think the baby will have a better life than them without any real reason for why they think that. She had a baby after trying to for a while and having miscarriages. When she visited here and I saw her, she was so overwhelmed. The baby was about 2. She said I was lucky I didn’t have any kids. It stuck with me what a bizarre thought. As if it was all chance and I just didn’t end up with a kid and she did. She tried to have a kid and I made sure I didn’t have one. It’s like they think the default state is to have kids, instead of just existing as you are. IDK it’s weird. It seems some women do have a really strong drive to have children too. I never felt like that. I never wanted a kid and then when I got old enough to see things as they really are, all I could think of that the most kindness you can give to a child is for them to never exist in the first place so they won’t have to suffer.

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  9. IDK what’s paid for, written off, or not done at all bc of financial constraints. I don’t know how to find out either. But there are homeless people panhandling for money to purchase ostomy supplies, so it’s not just the rich who are subjected to this nightmare. And so many SJWs and charities try to get “access” to medical care for vulnerable people as if that’s unambiguously positive, perhaps especially for poor people who have no social power to control these monsters even if they wanted to. And obvs IKWYM about the collective, but the collective is made up of individuals. I never know what to make of it when people say that anything will take collective action. That’s only kind of true, isn’t it? Which means its also kind of not true. Medicating, institutionalizing and silencing antiauthoritarians hasn’t helped of course. Maybe that’s the real problem.

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  10. I would also like to call attention to the surgically constructed “anus” or neo-anus, or anoplasty. Gee, where have we heard this terminology before? Doctors CANNOT create an anus any more than they can create a vagina. It won’t work the way it’s supposed to and will cause lifelong problems and tie the recipient to the medical establishment for life. Just because they say they can create these things doesn’t mean they can. People need to see behind the curtain a little bit and realize that doctors lie and misrepresent their abilities and the technology to do these things. In reality, the technology does not even exist.

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  11. Hmm yeah the actions have to start somewhere before they are taken up by the collective. But the people who act first on their own are always severely punished and might not get any change from it so it’s a lot to expect from anyone. We’ve basically grown up in a prison can and taught not to question authority and it’s really hard for most people to even mentally get there that they are not always right. It all feels like a trap where we have to gnaw our own leg off to escape, there’s no way to get out of anything that isn’t also terrible. Plus I think honestly the average person is extremely dumb and a lot of them don’t seem to think that deeply about anything.

    I think the only real “solution” at this point is to get away from society as much as possible. It’s not fixable at all.

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  12. I’ve been trying to see behind the curtain my whole life. It’s been an obsessive quest, trying to figure out who pulls the strings behind all this and what does it all mean? Then what’s behind the curtain even further, past human interference to a biological level and then on to a spiritual level. There are so many layers that have created this. Do most people think about this at all? Do they just hear that God made everything and the president and other authority figures are keeping us safe and then that’s that so they don’t have to think about anything? It seems like it. It’s all awful though, I get why people would want to ignore it all but I don’t understand how they can.

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  13. You were taking about how liberal feminism presents the viewpoint of women making choices and radical feminism shows how choices are constrained and in that sense they both have this effect of getting no where. Believing too much in specific ideologies makes for this rigid framework that limits our thinking. It’s the same way everything is set up in society. You need to be Democrat or Republican. You can be sex positive or a prude. You can believe this or that, but there’s never a third option or a ‘maybe it’s a little of both’ thing. This way of thinking it’s a mental trap that we’re all born into. I don’t know if it’s on purpose to keep us ineffective or an inevitable consequence of having so much information that it forms into frameworks because that’s the only way people can understand anything. But anyway it all leads to us getting stuck from seeing outside of these walls that have been constructed around us.

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  14. Someone recently told me that its not nice or productive (or something IDK) to go after stupid people bc they literally cant help it. This person was of generational intelligence as well as generational wealth. I told her, stupid people are MY people, not yours. Maybe it would be wrong for her to go after them but that doesnt mean its wrong for me to do it! Not when I’ve spent my entire life trying to pull myself out of that slog and a legacy of generational stupidity. But IDK what to do about stupid people honestly. They are dangerous and too dumb to know it, they hurt when they genuinely think they are helping and they do it to themselves, their kids, their pets, everything. But even “smart” people do this shit so I really don’t know what that even means. I think I was born into a culture that I fundamentally clash with, that I am an outlier, and the community will get to decide what happens to me bc that’s what communities do. If it was just me, maybe I could learn to shut up about it, but it’s not just me. And I’m also not wrong. IDK man. Somehow I suspect that radical males don’t spend time asking themselves these questions, or concede outlier status. Of course, radical males truly aren’t that radical. Do I even have a point with this comment? I thought I did, but now I can’t remember what it was. Oh well.

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  15. Hi Mary. Her family is rich and smart AF, mine is stupid and poor AF. That’s all. I know that stupid people can become wealthy, but that’s not how hers did it. And when I say my family is stupid, I don’t mean that they are uneducated, even tho they almost all are. They aren’t creative, curious, well-read, street-smart, business-minded, logical, intuitive, funny, thoughtful, or interesting. They give terrible advice and argue about things they know nothing about, just to hear themselves talk. They communicate in the lowest form imaginable in my estimation, which is sarcasm and mocking. Their only motivation to succeed, from what I can tell, is that they are racist and don’t want to have to live next to “black people” except they don’t say “black people” they say the other thing. Their idea of adventure is drinking heavily somewhere else instead of doing it at home. You know, STUPID, just fucking stupid and boring as hell. For as many generations as I know about, and on both sides. I come from a long line of mouth breathers and sluts. IDK how else to describe it, or any other way to judge intelligence. Do you?

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  16. The “arguing about things they know nothing about” really sticks in my craw. I think they see the intelligensia making noises with their vocal cords and they think making noises is all you have to do to have a conversation or a “debate”. So they aren’t just stupid, they are mean spirited and frauds who don’t want anyone to know how stupid/uneducated they really are. That’s mostly my mom’s side, the side that tries to be middle class. It’s too bad my dad is such an egregious asshole bc I would probably get along with his family better than my mom’s bc at least my dad’s family doesn’t try to fake it. There’s some really scary domestic violence on his side tho, and they hate women. So there’s that. There’s probably DV on my mom’s side too, but again, they fake it. The aunt that told me that my “real “problem is a marijuana addiction is married to a fucking cop. Enough said.

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  17. My mom always told me growing up that her and my dad were retarded. And she was like “sorry your parents are retarded.” I was always expected to be “successful” because I was smart and could do well at school but had no frame of reference for how to succeed at anything and was just on my own trying to figure out what to do in a world that I didn’t really understand because I had been told some fake view of everything.

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  18. She always wanted me to be a lawyer so bad. That was her dream job for me. I kept saying I don’t want to do that but she would always talk about it. Lol I would love for you to tell her how shitty it was.

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  19. That’s interesting that she told you that! Wow. I’m trying to gather my thoughts around someone who is stupid and doesn’t try to fake it. And that is how poverty and unsuccess is generational innit. I remember when I first graduated from college and was trying to get a job, my mom told me that I should ask what the salary was and then offer to work for LESS. If it was an hourly position, she told me to say, whatever the least amount anyone else is willing to work for, I will do it for $1 less. Which ended up being $6 an hour, and I did get the job. Gee thanks mom! As if the point is just having a job, any job, even if you are destitute, and even if you are MORE destitute than literally everyone else in your situation bc they work for market wage at least, and you work for less. What the fuck. And she has the unmitigated gall to continue to give me advice 20 years later, while her “plan B” is literally creepy bags of IV morphine she stole from work so she can kill herself in her nice middle class house when she decides she can’t stand her husband and her awesome, successful life of being married to a middle class man anymore.

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  20. Sorry, my point above, if it wasn’t clear, is that there are a shit ton of people out there who have no clue how anything works. You can be smart as a whip but if you are getting life skills from stupid and/or generationally unsuccessful people, you won’t get anywhere. And people have no idea how it works in the “level” above themselves. How would they? Poor and/or stupid people think that being a lawyer is the same as winning the fucking lottery. But they only think that bc they aren’t in a position to know. The truth is that unless you have the social/class capital to have contacts and a job waiting for you when you graduate from law school, its possible that you will never even get to practice law at all. My ex hasnt practiced a day in his life, and we went to the same school and graduated at the same time. There are even law firms who won’t hire attorneys who are shorter than 6 feet tall, including women. How would ANYONE ever know that? They wouldn’t. And my ex was only 5’5″ an inch taller than me.

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  21. Wow that’s actually lowering your perceived value and lessening your ability to get stuff because they will think you’ll just be a crappy employee. But I guess it’s better than the (non) advice my mom gave me after I finished college and tried to get a job which was to scream at me when I asked for help with my resume that “everyone else can do it themselves, why can’t you?” Most of the kids in the family got all kinds of help getting jobs, some even got inheritances from rich dads her sisters married. Her professor dad got my cousin a job. One of my aunts got her daughters into real estate. Some had a bunch of friends that helped them get jobs with them. I just got yelled at and called a moron. And my dog was getting elderly and rapidly declining so I was scared and sad then after a while she needed full time care and I knew she would have to leave me soon. So everything about that was awful. I decided to just hurry up and get my Master’s because I didn’t know what else to do. It was something I wanted to do but I was forced into just doing it because I had to right away.

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  22. Wow that’s crazy about having to be 6 feet to get hired some places. Yeah it’s impossible to know what all this stuff is even like for poor people who have no understanding of it. Having contacts is so important that you might not ever get anywhere on your own, but where do you even get all these contacts if you’re not born into a connected family? And women are still so hated but it’s so denied that it’s like no one will ever admit that’s still a thing.

    One of my cousins got my mom’s dream job for me. He became a lawyer and now what he wants to do is work for ICE lol and he’s always talking about immigration and Trump. My mom said he went on dates and kept bringing up Trump and scared the women away. He’s over 6 foot and extremely white and looks like a very ordinary looking white dude, easily to look like what is deemed “professional.” Him and his brother and my other cousin inherited a bunch of money from their rich Grandpa because two of my mom’s sisters married two brothers with a rich dad. He now makes as much money in his investments as he does at his lawyer job. He’s a good guy and works hard and all but that makes me feel kind of sick. People that get handed a bunch of money and get told how to invest it can literally make as much from simply having money as from having a really good job while people who don’t get anything have to work themselves to death.

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  23. And looks are perceived in all these ways that we have no control over that affect our ability to do things so much. I’m smaller than average because I’m only 5’3 and baby faced and people significantly older than me tend to think I’m a teenager. People in the same age group can usually recognize each other’s ages better but these people that would need to hire me would see me as this little girl.

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  24. Growing up poor also fucks up your health and the way your brain works for life. You never recover completely from the health affects of growing up in a stressful situation and especially if someone is so poor they can’t get good nutrition or put off health concerns, but just regular stressful poor is enough. It affects the way your brain functions too so that you don’t have as much impulse control with saving money and not buying stuff you want. They did this study on whether kids could wait to get more treats or they would just eat the first thing they are given after they are told if they wait they can have more. The kids whose families had money had no problem with waiting because they always got all kinds of stuff anyway but poor kids just ate the treats because they had a life where they might not get any treats and it was unstable, if they didn’t eat the treats they might not get any. The researchers were talking about how people who make low incomes will often go spend their money on stuff they enjoy to be able to get through life getting some enjoyment to continue on, while people who are secure with their money are more easily able to save it. I’ve definitely spent my limited money on stuff I enjoyed and it was able to keep me going and keep me from being in such misery I wouldn’t be able to keep going to have a little bit of pleasure added in my life. It makes it so painful to do anything. You are always stressed and confused.

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  25. The only thing that makes any sense at all is to refuse to reproduce, and as long as males stranglehold birth control and abortion, the only real way to avoid reproducing is to refuse PIV.

    There are Women that cannot choose, they are married as children, to grown males, they are forced into reproducing. As long as ONE WOMAN is being raped and/or forced to give birth, then no male should have free access to any female body.

    It wouldn’t even take that many of us. But if enough of us did this, then males would learn their natural place. Women didn’t make males useless, nature did that. But they punish us for it.

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  26. Hi radfemspiraling. Of course many women have no choice, that’s true. Those might not be the ones who are giving their nonviable infants over to Western medicine, though. I’m sure in some places, they just let the nonviable infants die, even if it’s not what the mother wants. In those places, it doesn’t matter what anyone wants when it comes to nonviable infants. If you are born without an anus in rural India there isn’t a lot that can even be attempted. And that’s not a bad thing IMO. That’s what radical feminism does to Western women though, it makes them think that a “child bride” in an undeveloped country is the same thing as themselves trifling with men, or “growing families”. Western women trifling with men hide behind these child brides and act like no women have any choices whatsoever, but that’s just not true. It’s pretty sickening.

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  27. Absolutely.

    Just to be clear, I was speaking generally, I wasn’t excusing this particular woman. I don’t know what her situation is, but i know that given the info that we have, I am sure that she wasn’t made to get pregnant or made to keep the pregnancy.

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  28. I think that the entire vibe that this woman is giving off, like “my baby has no anus, will spend it’s life in dreadful pain with urinating and shitting being horribly inconvenient, at best, and impossibly painful, at worst, but he is still living and therefore, WINNING, and we are working it out, and it’s going to be great because I am figuring it out!!!” is really fucking disconcerting.

    And the longer that I live, the more responsible I think that women are for all of this bullshit. That’s kind of undeniable. But I hesitate to go full throttle with that, because, if for no other reason, males blame women for everything, and I just don’t want to do that.

    Individual women, at least in the places where they are somewhat free, are going to do whatever they are going to do. I ignore the ones like this woman. She isn’t interested in a single thing that someone like me says. I just keep looking for the like minded women. Maybe enough of us will find each other in order to make a difference. Even though I know it’s highly unlikely.

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  29. This has been my exact experience.

    It’s a really unpopular thing to say, but it seems like women that have kids really resent women that didn’t have kids because they walked into a trap that we actively avoided. It’s like a misery loves company situation.

    I knew that having kids would be an unending hell. I mean, it starts with giving birth. No, thank you.

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  30. They just recently made it illegal here in my state to have child brides! It was only a couple years ago they made it a law that grown men can’t marry little girls. If they impregnated their victim they were able to just marry her and then it would be all okay and they wouldn’t be punished. The parents had to give permission but plenty of parents are fine with handing their daughter off to a grown man. A woman who got married off to the preacher after he raped and impregnated her as a child was the one who made them change the laws when she grew up. Every single thing that is happening in third world countries to women and girls happens here to, it just might be to a lesser number or a lesser degree. There are Christian extremist groups still cutting off little girls clits here but it’s like it’s supposedly something that only happens in Africa.

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  31. Yes! Thank you for addressing the vibe. That’s exactly what it is and it is disconcerting! I can’t even relate to the entire vibe of this culture anymore ISTG. Like everyone is all GOALS and WINNING and living their best lives and shit. What the fuck are you idiots even talking about? Sure people always had goals but it was like, long term goals, not setting 10 goals for yourself everyday just for the satisfaction of crossing them off your bedazzled planner you bought from Etsy. It’s like people are just actively having to distract themselves from reality every second of every day with meaningless tasks. If they can do that, they are “winning.” That’s the vibe this mother has. As long as she can successfully catheterize her son every 3-4 hours all day AND ALL NIGHT, every night, and he doesn’t literally die that day, they are all winning at life. What the fuck man. Now, I totally grok that time slows down when you are seriously ill and that the smallest things are victories and shit when you can barely do anything. And that COULD be where she is coming from, but I don’t think so. I think your reading of it is completely correct.

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  32. Yes exactly! It’s so strange how these women make these decisions for themselves to have kids and actively try to make that happen then are jealous of women who didn’t have kids as if it was “luck” to not have them. It’s just the default to not have kids if you don’t let a man impregnate you but it’s like it’s seen as the default to have them. Most of them don’t seem to even think that hard about everything that goes into raising them. I was shocked when my friends started having kids at 19. I thought that was such an old fashioned thing to do and my generation wouldn’t be doing stuff like that. The ones that got married mostly all changed their name too and I thought that was so bizarre.

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  33. I was watching a thing on Netflix or Hulu, it was about this “charm school” for girls, I think it was in Louisiana.

    And this male taught a “class” about “virtue” and “purity”, and he made a statement about how you just wouldn’t BELIEVE the number of 12 year old girls that go and get themselves pregnant! And the implication is, again, of course, that these little girls are somehow nasty temptresses that outsmart grown males and trick them into fucking.

    And I am sure that there’s a law about males marrying little girls. And I bet that it will be rarely enforced, when it’s enforced, at all.

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  34. I hate the expression “living your best life” so much. I don’t even know exactly why but it is so grating to me. I guess because it is like you said how the culture is about distracting yourself with a bunch of little stupid goals and you are “winning” at life to do them. But it’s all just a bunch of nonsense.

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  35. Gross. That’s always left out of the conversation about “teen moms,” how a huge percentage of them were impregnated by adult men.

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  36. And those pictures. Of her smiling.

    I remember seeing an old post on one of the radfem blogs, I don’t remember which one, but it was pictures of women smiling in advertisements. Going to the gym, or the doctor, to the funeral home, to court, to prison, no matter where, it’s a perfectly made up woman, with empty eyes and a big toothy smile.

    I have never looked like that, not for a single second of my life. It’s performance. It’s so fucking weird.

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  37. Jeez, yeah. I noticed the smiling too. One pic has her holding the baby before sending him off to one of his many surgeries. Whenever we used to have to do that with my brother, that was not a happy time, not by a long shot. There were tears and mind-shattering stress and grief. But now, everyone has to look happy so they can post it on Instagram. Or in her case, on the front page of the fucking Huffington Post.

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  38. Looking happy is a requirement of life now. If you don’t look happy all the time or you express “negative” feelings clearly you need to be medicated so you can smile more!

    I read an article before taking about how looking happy is a job requirement for a lot of jobs and I never quite thought about that all that much before I read that but basically most jobs require this big act from their employees no matter what horrible stuff might be going on in their lives it’s not enough to be helpful and polite, they better fucking smile too.

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  39. Speaking of “goals” I recently watched a YouTube vid of a woman who lives in her car. There are a lot of people living in vehicles and vlogging it but its usually like converted vans and RVs and shit, and its a lifestyle that they do, and some are off grid and whatnot, or homesteading. It’s a whole huge YT community. But this woman lived in a tiny beater of a car. And she was getting a lot of comments that were questioning her sanity basically, like what the fuck are you doing in that beater, going to work and getting back in your beater and vlogging about it? We don’t get it? And so she had to do a whole vid about how living in her car was a goal that she had made and that she had achieved her goal. And it seemed to shut up about half the people who were completely satisfied with that being a goal that she had made and achieved for herself. Like, what’s next? I got mugged today and ended up in the hospital, but it was a goal of mine to do that so I’m actually winning at life? What is going on?

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  40. The other half were still like, pssst, you homeless, girl. Like she didn’t grok that she was homeless, or like she had to make it seem fun, and a choice when it really wasn’t. But half of them were fine with it after she said it was a goal. lol.

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  41. That’s hilarious! You just say anything you do was a goal and people are like oh cool. It’s all about how you say things and people will agree with anything.

    The RVs and converted Vans are so awesome. I love them and wish I had one.

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  42. I was randomly clicking around on the internet the other day and I ended up at Femonade where you were talking about cargo cults and I’m so confused now as to why I’ve never heard of that after all the years I’ve been studying social sciences and reading all kinds of weird stuff on my own. Like did I get Mandelaed or something? That seems like something important that I should already know about. It’s a whole religious cult forming in recent history around these cargo shipments they didn’t understand, that definitely seems like it should be part of teaching students about how cults form. Also the first thing I thought about was ancient aliens lol. How the aliens came here and did stuff and people did the same thing back then to try to get the aliens to come back and imitated their technology to try to do the things they did.

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  43. Oh wow thats weird that you mention cargo cults! I was literally just thinking about that today, when I was writing about my family pretending to have intelligent discussions by making noises with their vocal cords lol. Thats exactly a cargo cult behavior, going through the motions without ever understanding anything deeper about the context, or the cause and effect. We must be on the same page today lol. I thought cargo cult was fascinating when i first heard about it. A LOT of behaviors are cargo cult behaviors when you look at them closely. Men thinking that “woman” is all in our clothes for example. Or even powerless children and low-level corporate drones making and achieving “goals” now that I think of it. Becuz thats what the successful people do! Look everyone, I’m successful too! Just, no.

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  44. Lol yeah very true. There’s a lot of that that goes on where people just do stuff because they saw someone else doing it they want to be like. Totally clothes are a huge one. If you dress a certain way that’s how you’ll be. Dress like a woman, you are a woman. Dress like a rich person, you’ll be rich.

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  45. That’s actually a whole segment of advertising now that I think about it. They gave it a name but I don’t remember. One of the ways in which they sell us stuff is to have famous beloved people using their products, so then people look at the ad and think if I use this product I’ll be famous/rich/cool/loved/etc like this person using it.

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  46. I just keep looking for the like minded women. Maybe enough of us will find each other in order to make a difference.

    The major difference that it will make is the difference that it makes to each of us to have found each other.

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  47. Yes!

    I don’t write here because I think that I am smart or unique or that I am saying things that other women are not aware of.

    The women here are my community. It’s not ideal, and I wish it were more, but I am happy to have all of you. And I know that women read here and don’t say a thing. There are a lot of them. And every once in a while, one will leave a single comment, thanking me for saying unpopular things that are true, that they see, and they feel a little bit less alone.

    And that makes ME feel less alone. The sisters here lighten the burden for me, and we all carry it. But we aren’t alone.

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  48. Talking on these blogs has helped keep me somewhat sane at least and made me feel so much less alone. I think there’s a lot of value just in saying, “hey are you seeing this shit I see too?”

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  49. The truth of everything is all in our face but we’re never aloud to talk about it. I watched this movie the other night on Netflix where the ghosts in an old brothel that became a house killed any men who moved in that were bad. The dude went there to fix the house up before his pregnant wife moved in and everything he did was so shitty. He was immediately lying to her about drinking, then started watching really gross teen porn type stuff. The ghost came and seduced him and he immediately went to fucking her. Then later on “killed” her when she wouldn’t leave him alone. So he got judged as bad and killed. The ghost lady showed the wife when she came how she had been prostituted there and in a S&M sex show and told the wife that her and a little girl were killed in the house after the men decided they were done with them and that she was a star to them in the show but they didn’t care at all what happened to her. Men tell us these stories about how shitty they are and how they want to use as and don’t care what happens to us over and over again but we’re supposed to not see it and pretend that it’s some super rare thing that men are like this.

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  50. I’m with you on criticizing mothers.
    There’s a Mother of 4 that I know who recently had a baby via IVF, and it was born premee, under 4 lbs and is spending the first days (weeks, months, years?) of its life in a plastic box with countless tubes and wires hooked up.
    This woman told me last year that she was spending thousands of dollars in invitro, and that the procedures are “so painful” (this coming from a woman who has given birth 3 times). She already has 4 children that she has raised to adulthood, the youngest still is a preteen but has Rheumatoid Arthritis.
    So I guess she just sensed her impending empty nest and decided to be proactive? I mean, I assume she was finding more and more spare time, space, energy, and money in her life, and instead of just, ya know, starting a new hobby ffs, she decided to bring a new life into this hellish place even though her body clearly knew better (aka can’t get preggers via ‘normal” dick-pronging means).

    It’s obvious that women just aren’t ‘doing the math’, and haven’t taken any real inventory in many generations. She could’ve have so much time and space to explore her Self and learn new things that she couldn’t before under constant mommy/wife/domestic servitude. She could’ve given her money to any of as many charities for whatever cause matters to her. But instead chose to spend all that money on torturing/forcing her reluctant uterus to ‘MAKE ONE”,
    and now she’ll spend untold thousands more on this sick kid so that doctors can torture it. And she’ll be the ONE who HAS to do all the normal, plus extra, care for this kid for at least the next 18 years, but let’s get real…it’ll likely be for the rest of the kids life (or hers). Guess she found her new hobby, eh? Same as old hobby, but immeasurably shittier.

    What a stupid trade off to take. I mean, at best would’ve still been a loss for her and the kid and the planet, let alone having a sick kid.

    Every day I become more and more disappointed and irritated with the vast majority of women out there. Especially the mothers, who NO DOUBT have a critical amount of patriarchially-inflicted brain damage in order to keep making that trade. I have a sister in law who’s a new mother and I swear all I every real hear her say over and over…”but it’s worth it.”…”but it’s worth it.”…..”but it’s worth it.”….”but it’s worth it.” And all I want to say is…..”you sure?”

    I was watching videos about buying food on a budget (spurred on by your post on that topic) and ended up watching videos by women who have families of like 7,8,9,10,12 (Christians of course.)…and HOW they feed all these damn kids!
    Not to mention how these women also clean, shop, and homeschool all of their children, and can still manage to have enough in them to (I’m certain) take their husbands’ dicks, which makes more babies!!!!!! Women are literal brain-free batteries for men to drain all the energy from. What a great deal for that dude though, amirite? He has this wonder masturbation toy/incubator, that also cooks, cleans, and teaches! And SMILES…….like…SMMMMIIILLLEEESSSS A LOT.

    ew. It is truly demented.

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  51. “the solution to that would be to stop telling men and authority figures that we are pregnant at all, and to not allow them to witness or interfere with the birth at all. ”

    That would certainly be the only way, if at all. I’ve thought about how some women are birthing at home, and then homeschooling, which ultimately means that the government might not know about the baby/kid/person, which then makes me think about how babies born in hospital are basically automatically documented on records (ssn, birth certificate, etc.) and this serves to keep track of individuals. I ensures that mother can’t kill their unviable/unwanted infants basically. because there’s a record that that infant exists. But home birthers would be able to exercise this natural right (not that they would) but you see my point about the push to birth in hospitals (in addition to all the other motive$).

    But then the flip side of that is that, when men control the home/family (as they mostly do) undocumented kids can just be abused/tortured/neglected to an variation for years or even their entire lives and no one even knows they exist.

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  52. THis is men’s hell-world. They designed it, and they enforce it. But it’s an undeniable fact that, they simple could not have done any of it without women’s bodies. And they would not be able to continue it without women’s bodies.

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  53. I don’t think it’s even possible to take care of 3 or maybe 4 kids at most. What usually happens is the oldest daughters are made into little moms for the younger kids. Then they are conscripted into domestic service early on, while the boys go play and learn other stuff. It makes it easier to convince the next generation of women to have kids in those big religious families because they’ve already been forced to care for children most off their life.

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  54. “And so many SJWs and charities try to get “access” to medical care for vulnerable people as if that’s unambiguously positive, perhaps especially for poor people who have no social power to control these monsters even if they wanted to. ”

    Same here, I think this whenever I hear the democratic candidates talking about “universal health care” and “preventative medicine”. Like, how it’s just assumed to be something everyone should be desperately and enthusiastic vying for. But when I hear those words I just think “universal medical experimentation/torture” and “unnecessary medical interventions in the name of ‘preventing’ disease, but likely actually causing disease”.

    Have you read that book “confessions of a Medical Heretic” that I recommended on my video about Medicalized torture? I think you’d really enjoy it, except for the author ultimately being pro-‘more babies’….which is a predictable male “solution” counter to everything we observe and speak of here. The author talks about how the medical industry is basically just a church and follows all the same formulas that a religion does.

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  55. There’s so many taboos against men witnessing births in a lot of traditions. That’s really been the way women had been giving birth throughout history until men decided to burn the midwives and take over. The women probably acted like they didn’t want to inconvenience the men and make him deal with all of that so they could get them to go away and be able to do whatever they need to in peace.

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  56. That is what my dad would say about all the sciences, they’ve all been made into a religion now. It’s so true. No dissent from the accepted doctrine is tolerated. There’s no more imaginative exploration of the mysteries of existence. It just all holds up the status quo.

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  57. A lot of people are saying that now and rejecting “sciencism” which is science as religion, but they’ve channelled all that energy and rage into flat earth lol not a word about medicine or technology as far as I can tell. What a waste.

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  58. @anotherwomaninhell
    “I’ve been trying to see behind the curtain my whole life. It’s been an obsessive quest, trying to figure out who pulls the strings behind all this and what does it all mean? Then what’s behind the curtain even further, past human interference to a biological level and then on to a spiritual level. There are so many layers that have created this. Do most people think about this at all? Do they just hear that God made everything and the president and other authority figures are keeping us safe and then that’s that so they don’t have to think about anything? It seems like it. It’s all awful though, I get why people would want to ignore it all but I don’t understand how they can.”

    You’ve express my sentiments exactly. I winder what makes that difference been all of them and those very few of us that keep pulling the thread? And it is only those of us who keep pulling it and keep pulling it that do eventually end up ,,,well, here. having these conversations, knowing and realizing the ultimate truth about why the world is this way. Because we keep asking why. what makes that difference?

    I speculated about women getting stupider and weaker with each generation, due to men being in the genetic/breeding driver’s seat. Like I know it’s ultimate only the rapey-est, most sociopathic, most violent, best at lying men who will past on their genes more to create even more rapey, sociopathic, violent, lying men. Conversely, it’s only the women who are weaker-willed, more easy to scared, more easy to manipulate, who are best at denial, best at not questioning, most timid about violence, and best at practicing brain-damage who will pass on their genes to make future women who are even more weak, stupid, and malleable.

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  59. Lol yeah the flat Earth stuff like it just seems to be another religion on its own too. They get so into it and are so convinced. It’s like there’s no escaping that religious mindset anywhere in society. Then they aren’t talking about the medical torture because they’re mostly men and at least somewhat privileged to be able to get so into all this and making all these videos and the medical torture is happening to women and especially poorer women so they’re not paying attention to that.

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  60. Hi sinbigger. It kind of goes without saying that most Western mothers are dick pleasing handmaidens to begin with. That’s how they got pregnant in the first place. It’s not the same for “child brides” of course, but in those places, there isnt even the option for this medicine-as-torture bc there isnt much medicine at all. 10 year old girls have to walk 100 miles or whatever to the nearest clinic to get their fistulas repaired. We can’t just have a middle ground with medicine in which women aren’t tortured coming and going, obviously.

    In the v early 90s (like 89-91 ish) there was a song that came out that blew everyone’s hair back about everyone’s mothers basically being sluts lol It was by King Missile (who also did “Detachable Penis” that was v popular) and it was extremely raw, like they really went over the top with it, describing what “your mom” did with/to “your dad” when they were fucking, and that’s where “you” came from. I remember this song playing when there were teenage boys in the room (duh, it was their music) and they would just die laughing and get so embarrassed and grossed out. But like, in the West that does seem to be how most babies are made. IDK why mothers are held up to some purity standard when so many babies are made from drunken and/or recreational fucking. I mean lets get real a moment shall we? I know its so turribl and shockingggg for anyone to say that but its not wrong.

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  61. I don’t know what makes that difference between being able to be led and being fundamentally against it. We were talking about it here before how you can’t help whether you’re just born with authoritarian tendencies or not. There might be some room to change this if someone really has their mind blown to see how bad things are personally, it might shake them enough to not be able to go along anymore and start questioning. In order for someone without the authoritarian personality to go along they would have to really be broken, I don’t think you’re going to change anyone’s mind that obeying is best who doesn’t already think that way. It’s very strange because there’s such a tendency for people to want to go along with the crowd and it’s like the ones who do go along can’t see anything else. Whatever they are told is the automatic truth even if it’s clearly ridiculous.

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  62. I mean like, it’s the ultimate insult to call someone’s mother a drunken slut, but in reality its like yeah probably, and yours likely is too, where do you think we all came from? One of the strippers I used to work with told me she got pregnant with her 3rd kid over a bottle of tequila. All mother-worship evaporated for me at that moment. IDK what I thought previously but jeez, yeah thats def a thing.

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  63. Men’s deals with each other to keep women oppressed have allowed most of them to reproduce though. The most vile rapey ones might reproduce more but they are all given the chance to reproduce that they wouldn’t have naturally because women would have been rejecting the ones with defective DNA. That’s definitely a big part of why we’re all unhealthy now. But when men try to control genes they do this crazy eugenics stuff that’s not like the natural healthy selection that women would do.

    There have still been such a variety of people with various traits reproducing despite control by the most evil, there are certainly a lot of sadistic men and submissive women who have passed on their genes but there’s a lot more variation than that in the whole population.

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  64. The lack of thought into such an enormous life changing occurrence is totally unimaginable to me. It’s like so many women are putting less thought into bringing life into the world than I’m putting into figuring out how thick of a jacket I need for the weather today or whatever other minor decision. I’ve heard so many women saying how it just happened, they just ended up with having a child. I don’t get it at all. Then I had friends who desperately wanted a child and purposely had one even though they had no real resources to care for it. Why? Then they end up having so much more problems than they already had.

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  65. On some level many mothers seem to sense the gravity of what they’ve done eventually. At least it seems that way, when they put all this pressure on their kids to be successful, toe the line, make money etc. Or to find a man to take care of them. I cannot imagine the oppressive fear, regret and stress I would feel if I brought a life into this world, I legit think it would make me insane. There is nothing worse that I can imagine, nothing more oppressive, nothing more horrific or more stressful. Of course, that’s assuming the child is loved. I feel that way for my cats ffs. I honestly regret taking on this responsibility when I have so little control or resources to ensure a good outcome for them. I try not to think about it, but its there every day isnt it? Budgeting for food, litter, making sure I dont waste our rent money on unneccessary vet bills (but then taking them to the vet when its definitely needed, which isnt always easy to tell) etc. It’s a big fucking deal man. I knew it would be too, which is why I never did it before.

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  66. Totally agree, there’s nothing worse I could possibly imagined than to have actually brought life into this world knowing how much they would suffer. I’ve seen the regret women have too when they really understand what they’ve gotten themselves into, like my friend who said I was “lucky” not to have a kid. She wanted one so bad it’s like she wasn’t able to think it through what would happen. Then her and her dude ended up getting divorced so he’s still involved with the kid but it’s definitely more on her.

    It terrifies me about my cats too. They are middle aged now and when I got them I was pretty young, I was only 20 and I had both my parents and we had enough money that it wasn’t that much of a worry. And the cats came to me, I didn’t go out and get them. It makes me feel such panic that I have to hurry up and improve things for myself to be prepared for anything they may need as they are getting older. It’s definitely very stressful figuring out when to take them to the vet. Even aside from the money, they will give them unnecessary medicine and tests too. They don’t inflict all the same medical torture on them as they do us, but it’s not great either. I would definitely prefer if I could go to the vet too though!

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  67. Yes recreational fucking is such a male idea. Same with the “oops baby”. Like I found out that my brother impregnated his wife (my sister-inlaw) less than a year after they got married….. The news was described as “an oops baby, but a wonderful oops.” blech. How can a baby be ‘oops’ when you literally did the one and only thing that makes babies, KNOWING that it makes babies. If you put a piece of moldy bread in a toaster and a baby came out…THAT would be an oops baby. Sticking a penis into a vagina and ejaculating………never an oops, and is an action that is explicitly designed for making babies. Not an oops. This is my same sister-in-law who I mentioned that always ends all her new-mother griping with “but it’s worth it” lolol

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  68. It’s for sure driven my mom insane trying to raise me with very little resources under constant stress. She obsessively talks about dying and what to do if she dies to make sure I inherit the house with all the paperwork. She managed to get this house after working her whole life and has to make sure I get it. My dad just left me with a disgusting traumatic mess though.

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  69. It might shake them up enough to wake them up for good, or it might shake them up just enough to go running to some “other’ authoritarian alternative. I see this a lot. Example, all these people who get all wrapped up in reacting to Trump. They are so busy reacting that they do see how they are being lead right into authoritarian thinking on the liberal side of the narrative.

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  70. Agreed, but I was thinking that variation would decrease over time. Strong women disappear because they are either killed off, or they simply don’t reproduce for the same reason many of us here have expressed. For men it’s the reverse. The so called “weak” males, the passive ones, are less likely to pass on their genes because they don’t try to control their female partners or force sex/pregnancy.

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  71. It is truly bizarre the brainwashing that goes into it when you are able to see it for what it really is. We’re taught our whole lives that this is the ultimate thing to do and it seems like there’s not much choice to not do it. It used to confuse me so bad when I was really young and just learning a lot about sex and reproduction. I never had any desire to reproduce and all I could see was how everything was set up to make it unavoidable. Sex and relationships are painted as the best thing ever that you definitely have to do. Dating women makes you an outcast in the culture and brings all this hate on you so that leaves dating men. To have sex with a man it’s probably best to just get a surgery to close off the fallopian tubes, but the doctors don’t want to do it on women without children. Then if there’s an accidental pregnancy they’ve made it so hard to get an abortion. My mind has been going through all these details trying to figure out how best to avoid reproducing since as long as I’ve understood it.

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  72. My dad was pretty passive and my mom was always the head of the household and still chose to have me. More strong willed women might avoid having children but they also might have a more passive man and want to have children and do whatever they want.

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  73. Yes that’s true people might just go to another authoritarian way of thinking instead of thinking outside of that. It’s like the people rejecting religion but then they form “scientific” beliefs that are just a whole other religion.

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  74. Yes these fucking rich liberals think poor stupid people are retarded children basically. Like powerless baby angels. They have no idea what its like to be oppressed by them bc they never will be. I’ve been oppressed and controlled by poor and/or stupid people all my life. Fucking sue me for fighting back, I know its super mean and unladylike of me.

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  75. There are so many stupid people who inflict their stupid bullshit on whoever is below them. It’s painful to have to deal with so many morons and feel so powerless against all their dumb desires to control others. I think stupidity has really been selected for, for a long time in our evolution. We stopped needing individual wisdom to survive and the the ones most likely to survive were the ones who obeyed the sadists and didn’t even understand the evil that has been being inflicted on us all.

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  76. I was just thinking that the Y didn’t get passed on from either side of my family. My Mom’s brother had 2 girls and Dad’s brother didn’t have any children. So no one passed it on. Neither last name got passed on to the new generation either. I’m the only one who got my Dad’s last name. I would give my kid my name if I had one, we’re the ones who do everything after all, but that’s not happening so I’m going to be the last one in the family to have it. One cousin got my Mom’s name passed down to her from my uncle but gave her daughter the daughter’s father’s name. So that would have been considered a huge failure in a traditional society. Lol the men didn’t get to pass their male legacies down at all.

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  77. I too, was freaking determined not to have a fetes lodged me in me ,,from the moment my Ma described my birth,, in childhood. I poured over a whole history of BC methods,& avoided anything even PiV-adjacent until I could get sterilised. Then it never happened since I got sick & got enlightened in process.
    I also knew that I’d only Consider it , if the prick-Haver was so scorching hot, that the room’d feel like it,s on fire 🔥 there’s no way to weight out everything otherwise

    Out of the multitudes of male nothings my mum screwed ;: she reproduced with the 2 she wasn’t attracted to. I was 😨 when she told me little thought went into having me: “oh, i,m 25 now , gotta get over with }yeah , I’ll keep this one”.

    I remember the dawning realisation that she had no freaking clue how to parents after 20 + years of being one.She admitted that she didn’t know how to deal with my 👯‍♀️ sister’s diet, or school, since she never had to do ANYTHING WITH ME. She just assumed }¥that’s how motherhood works👎🏿…while constantly ragging on me that i’m The Worst. I was roped into dealing with sis until I could do it no more.

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  78. Dunno what happened with above ^

    The most maternal person in my family ….is my Uncle….who never reproduced. Coincidentally:he’s the only live-born male in a century. It’s either all girls, or no kids with us. My other sibling on my fathers side – girl 👧 too

    So Ma actually had child free precedent with her aunt,but chose to follow the herd..

    I actually think that no free woman 👩 would have over 1 child. Pain is there to Ward u off doing something! How can can U ignore the worst that a central nervous system can deliver!.? Breastfeeding 🤱 is excruciating as well.Long term sleep deprivation causes brain damage.

    It’s been shown that :with every increment of 15 IQ points,the desire to mother reduces. Yanzidi argued that this tendency,coupled with mandatory impregnating ::breeds for stupid ppl.

    In every country where females,re given something else to strive for :birth rates fall off a cliff & inch ever closer to 1 per 👩. Hence a pattern of trying it once & learning ur lesson. Eastern Europe is consistent the least breeding region. Westerners dismiss that on poverty, but I reckon it’s more a case of very high education +straight talking culture. We’d rather spend our time doing sand animation, or keeping a pet wolf, or doing the hardest sport around (synchronised swimming) etc. a Polish lady described motherhood as “the easiest,most primitive thing in 🌍)

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  79. I learned about all the birth control methods too and planned to get sterilized. I couldn’t afford it and never did it. I’ve only been with one man. After my relationship ended I can’t imagine ever being with a man again. So good thing I never went through that I guess, but it still scares me because they are so rapey. I know too much and there’s too few of them that are decent people at all to want to find another one. Most are so seriously ugly too. I don’t ever think of women as ugly, plenty are not attractive but not ugly like so many men are.

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  80. That’s so common that you had to care for your sister, the older girls always get roped into caring for siblings. The boys just get to go play if there are any.

    My parents didn’t have me until they were already in their 30s but clearly still didn’t know what they were doing. At least they only had me though.

    So many of my friends had all these kids and did it so young. It made me so confused. I didn’t think women would do that anymore in my generation. They all did this traditional stuff; get married, change their name, and have 2 or 3 kids. It’s so weird to me.

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  81. I just wrote my first book. It’s a self-help book that answers every question anyone has ever had about their mothers. Here it is, in its entirety:

    Why does she do that? Because she’s a drunken slut. Why did she say that? Because she’s a drunken slut. Why is she like that? Because she’s a drunken slut.

    Like all self-help books, it’s only relevant to Westerners. It may be of limited usefulness to daughters who are also mothers, for obvious reasons, but it doesn’t mean it’s not true. It’s also bittersweet. But I have to say, for my family at least, that literally answers every question I’ve ever had about my mother and all my female relatives and their motivations and behaviors. I can’t believe how much time I’ve wasted thinking it was much more complicated than that. It’s really not.

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  82. Like, if you have to ask the question, that’s probably the answer. People whose mothers aren’t drunken sluts probably don’t sit around wondering why their mothers are abusive insane assholes. That’s my working theory ATM. It has something to do with how she got pregnant in the first place.

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  83. Lol I’m sure that’s true in plenty of cases but my mom’s not a drunken slut and I’m still wondering why she’s an insane abusive asshole accusing me for months of throwing away her stupid pasta stirrer and constantly calling me retarded and threatening to drop me off at the homeless shelter.

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  84. I’m not going to argue with anyone about whether their own mother was/is a drunken slut. lol. But I will clarify my terms. If she was having recreational intercourse with men, she was a drunken slut. Whether you were wanted may be incidental. Other options are rape victim, or dick-worshipping patriarchal medicine enthusiast who let doctors give her IVF.

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  85. Thinking more about this, and whether there is a 4th option: I think so, but it’s not a part of Western culture. Any culture (or individual) that embraces or even recognizes recreational intercourse does not value life. I don’t see any way around that. I can maybe almost imagine a culture or maybe even a subculture that does not embrace or recognize recreational intercourse, and what that would look like, and how it would be different, and how women who become pregnant under those circumstances would not be sluts or rape victims. I think it would have to be taken extremely seriously, or at least, given the gravity it deserves; be completely intentional to create life every time, life that was not only wanted but intended and able to be provided for forever; and 100% female driven, and not driven at all by (for example) whether the man would be a provider, or less oppressive than other men, or a unicorn, bc those are patriarchy-driven. I will think more about it, but I think that’s the gist.

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  86. I don’t know, I just laugh about it now. I know she’s not going to actually do it. It’s still super fucked up though. She said she actually called the homeless shelter to see if they could take me. I’m not sure if she actually did or not. I constantly cook and clean around here too and clean up her disgusting dishes she leaves everywhere sitting around while I get yelled at about everything and told how everything I do is retarded. But apparently I’m horrible and a “snotty little bitch” which is her new favorite phrase that she keeps calling me now. She even called my 2 girl kitties that. My boy is just a big fat baby so he didn’t get called names.

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  87. My mom told me I should move to a bigger city bc they have nicer homeless shelters there. What the fuck man. Like, why (not to mention HOW) would I gather the time and energy and not to mention money (resources) to move somewhere when the goal is to be homeless? What the fuck must she even be thinking? If I have the energy to do that, I would probably have the energy to you know, try not to be homeless? Drunken slut.

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  88. It’s just honestly hilarious to me listening to how ridiculous everything is now. I think I’ve been driven crazy at this point because I used to get so sad and cry about so much awful stuff and now I just have to laugh about the insanity of it all.

    Someone was taking about some show where a woman said she was non-binary and her girlfriend said she was a lesbian and wanted a woman. So the “non-binary” woman got all upset about it. So the woman talking about this ridiculous show said it’s like bots were given a bunch of information about humans and are now imitating this vaguely human behavior.

    It truly is like people are seriously malfunctioning and not even human anymore. Like there’s some sort of computer script running all this and it’s gone completely off the rails.

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  89. Lol good thing our drunken slut behavior didn’t result in some more traumatized kids wondering what the hell is wrong with us.

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  90. I agree that recreational intercourse is not valuing of life, either for the woman or the potential children. It’s so hard and confusing to come to that conclusion though when everything is pushing it on you that it is the greatest thing ever and if you are not doing it there is something so seriously wrong with you and sex is totally incomplete and doesn’t even count if you’re not fucking.

    It always scared me really bad knowing that I could be impregnated and some dude could just rape me if he wanted so even if I never did anything there’s no guarantee that I could stop them. I never understood why my friends took such risk fucking these loser guys and not even using condoms and then ending up really young and pregnant with nothing going for them. It didn’t make any sense to me.

    I eventually met a guy I really liked and got into a relationship and it’s such an automatic thing that you “have to” be doing this if you are with a man and you should want to because it’s the only thing that’s accepted as normal. It felt really good physically but I still always had to push so much fear and negative thoughts out of my head to do it.

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  91. Thank god, I suppose, that we were allowed to grow out of our slutty behavior/values/worldview without major consequences, or at least without major consequences to other people. I do think there are still consequences to us, like being traumatized by it. And that trauma probably never goes away. Having kids under these conditions kind of locks women AND KIDS in permanently to the consequences/trajectory of the woman’s own sluttiness, by which I mean male-identification, and devaluation of life, basically. Kids are a permanent tether to that time and place that women can never ever escape. Everything after that is a direct result and continuation of that slutty behavior and worldview. Not that most women would ever outgrow it. But more probably would if they didnt have kids to deal with, and constantly telling themselves it was all worth it! Like some hypnotic mantra, like sinbigger was talking about.

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  92. On Femonade you said something that really got to me, where you asked if things were reversed and there was no possible harm or worry to us but our male partner had to have all the danger that we face from fucking us, would we still do it? And it really put things in perspective. If we wouldn’t to risk hurting them then how are we okay with them risking hurting us. And why are they so okay with it if they say they love us? Then assuming an abortion and not a baby would result from pregnancy that’s still a bunch more trauma and risk that we didn’t have to have. It pretty much turned me off from fucking after really thinking that through.

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  93. I don’t think the trauma ever really goes away either. And it’s so deeply confusing because it’s stuff we chose to do and enjoyed doing, regardless of societal brainwashing and what not, we weren’t in a position to be forced to and we still chose to do destructive behavior to ourselves. Just because it felt good doesn’t mean it was a heathy behavior. Doing crack must feel good to the crackheads doing it but that doesn’t mean they should do it.

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  94. Also what you said about bots and people acting like a computer program is running in their heads, this does seem to be the case. Maybe we have just become so male identified that we literally aren’t even human anymore. We are all running the Y-chromosome script which literally isn’t a human script and there is a good argument that its not.

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  95. People would sooner believe that we are literally living in a simulation inside a giant computer, than they would believe that a fully male-identified “script” would be robotic or computer-like when they created the damn things, or at least, they completely took over the field if women had anything to do with it in the beginning. They don’t now.

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  96. Yes that sounds right. Like we are all our own thinking beings but this script has taken over everything so much that everything we think is somehow based around it to the point where we don’t even know what our own thoughts are.

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  97. Women used all their skills to create computer programming and then men took it over pretty much like everything else they do.

    They do seem to be sort of robotic, like they can’t really understand human emotions the same as us. Everything is either about their dick or about being angry.

    Maybe the male genetics are aliens and they weren’t from here but landed on this planet from organisms being carried through space on a meteorite. So this virulent DNA started combining with everything here and because it doesn’t quite fit it turned into something extremely destructive that has enveloped the planet like this over time to the point of us having to wonder if they are causing the apocalypse now.

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  98. They’ve done studies that show that when women get pregnant some of the fetal DNA gets combined with theirs. They know this because some women have Y DNA inside them after being pregnant with a boy before. So there’s actually lots of women who have male DNA inside their bodies from pregnancy with a male fetus. It could be having an even greater affect on them to actually have this male DNA energy combine with their body to go along with male thinking and behavior.

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  99. Ahaha,that makes me the only not-drunken slut in bunch here…..👱🏽‍♀️👱🏽‍♀️👱🏽‍♀️👱🏽‍♀️Where,s my baklava…..? & still feel like an incomplete

    There’ll a half-half chance I could’ve gotten away with it too: given how bad My endometriosis is.

    Sterilisation isn’t a guarantee either. Male is more effective. If any man was good enough : the basic minimum’d be for him to get snipped & pay for urs as well. That’s something even Mr.Jayne didn’t do : the other partner among here *referred to as kind *

    There’s a fascinating comment on Who is Cis, by intersex poster, who suggested that boys should have their penises shortened to intersex level, – so they can still get off, but it disables them as hazards.

    Mine had a creative alternative to homeless threats: A mental hospital 🏥

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  100. Yes that chimeric DNA thing is the stuff of nightmares honestly. I wonder what that must feel like? If the woman had a son when she was young she prob doesnt even remember what she felt like before she became part male. God, how gross.

    Have you heard of the computer simulation thing tho? It’s been on mainstream media. People like Elon Musk (I think?) are saying that its not only likely but probable that we are living in a computer simulation and that this isnt even real! Meanwhile, its not only probable but demonstrable that we are living in a male-identified hell that men created, and which people like Elon Musk get off on, and make billions of dollars from. Pontificating asshats.

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  101. Give kaguya her silver star for not being a drunken slut lol Good job kaguya. And last time I talked to my mom, she told me I should be in an invalid home lol. As if that even exits anymore. They seem to be pulling cards from the same deck dont they.

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  102. And it should go without saying that MEN are the biggest sluts of all, and that this has all been created by men. But this post is not about men, its about WOMEN and women’s very real responsibilities even though they have little control. And about what happens when we disregard natural law for mens laws, including unwritten social laws. THIS HAPPENS. Hell happens. It’s not about shame or anything else, its about natural law which leads to natural consequences. I think people reading here are capable of sitting with these observations without reacting, or without assigning things to me that I never said and don’t believe. Like that men ARENT the bigger sluts, or whatever. Obviously they are.

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  103. The Chimera thing freaked me out so bad, even if the woman aborts it the DNA is already in her. They were saying if you were giving your family medical history maybe you should be giving your partners history too of any man who got you pregnant because it can have such an effect combining with your DNA. So that would have to have effects on who you are too because our DNA it’s such a huge part of who we are and what we think and do.

    Yes I’ve heard all about the simulation stuff and Elon Musk was saying that. Maybe the Y is some sort of program that was programmed to take over and destroy.

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  104. It’s like people think homeless shelters are some kind of resort you can go check into and choose a “homeless lifestyle.” You can just pick the best one and they’ll take care of you.

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  105. It seems unbelievable to me, but people must have the wrong idea about homeless shelters if they think they are a solution for chronically ill people. You can’t have medication there, and they make you leave during the day. The one here charges like $200 a week or something too lol. They literally force you to panhandle or prostitute yourself for the privilege of being homeless. If people think homeless shelters are so great, and that there is an intact social safety net there ready and willing to catch everyone and take care of them when they need help, why the desperation to not be poor? I really think its bc of racism, and needing/wanting to “choose your neighbors”! And pretending to be middle class not for material purposes, since welfare has that totally covered (NOT) but for the appearance of being middle class for its own sake. What the fuck is wrong with people! Oh yeah, they are drunken sluts.

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  106. Yeah that’s really unbelievable that you have to actually pay to be homeless. You could find a really cheap ghetto apartment somewhere for that much money but the homeless shelter is charging that just to sleep there. Someone from my friend group from high school that I wasn’t really friends with directly was trying raise money to leave her husband to get her and her kids somewhere and was desperately poor and said she couldn’t even afford to go to the homeless shelter. Before that I thought the point of homeless shelters was to help people who are desperately poor. Nope it’s just a scam like everything else. I saw someone saying the other day how he built a tiny home to give to a homeless person and could build more but couldn’t find anywhere that he could put them so didn’t know what to do. There’s all the resources and people to help but they won’t let anyone help.

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  107. $200 a week is more than I pay in rent! So they are literally preying on people who can’t get a lease, or who can’t get a hotel room or whatever for whatever reason. That leaves sex offenders and people who don’t have identification? I guess? Is that who is in shelters then? What the fuck.

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  108. There are some little apartments around here for that much too. You can have a place to live and have your things for as much as it costs to be in a dangerous and probably dirty building with strangers where you are herded out during the day, so yes they are definitely preying on desperate people in the guise of helping. To get a lease somewhere you need three months rent and to have proof of income for like three months or so, which means someone who even has the money to pay for a month of rent isn’t going to be able to just go get a place to live, they will still have to save up enough to have the first, last, and current rent and work long enough to have the documentation. So anyone who loses their place to live abruptly for any reason is just shit outta luck. Then the fear and trauma from all that is likely going to keep them trapped in poverty even more. It’s all evil. A lot of people would honestly just be better off living in the woods than the things they are subjected to in “civilization” if any one actually knew how to survive anymore.

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  109. It’s even worse than a lot of the other scams going on because it’s supposedly helping people who need it the most and no one has any idea it’s just like a crappy hotel for desperate people.

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  110. The place I’m in now has very low standards, I think they literally will not rent to sex offenders and that’s it. I didn’t need any credit or proof of income or 3 months worth of rent, but I have been in the community for several years already and my disability advocate vouched for me bc she lives here too. So yes, sorry I shouldnt have said it was only sex offenders and undocumented people, that was ignorant of me. You do still need at minimum a full month’s rent in your hand at one time, even if you have the $200 a week its no good unless you can pay up front for the month. And some kind of a deposit, even if its not 3 months of rent or whatever. And being a nonthreatening middle aged white lady surely didn’t hurt. I was lucky AF to even get in here, and I know it.

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  111. I thought that was the standard to have to have the three months rent and proof of income because everywhere around here requires it. You would be able to rent a room that someone’s renting in their house though, which would certainly be better than the homeless shelter, but no apartments will rent without all that stuff.

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  112. This place is not a nice place. At all. We have serious security, maintenance and plumbing issues, the grounds flood when it rains, and the maintenance man is a legit retard who doesn’t know better than to track dog shit into people’s homes. It might be possible to find a shithole like this with less than what you would expect, but you will never find a nice place that doesn’t want all the stuff you say. Or, maybe this is the only one in the world, who knows. I honestly thought suicide was my only option until this place came up bc I thought I needed everything you talk about here. It was like a weird miracle that I even got in here bc I had just met my disability advocate in her apartment for the first time, and the next day or week I saw an ad on Craigslist for this apt and I recognized the building. I never would’ve felt safe here if I didn’t know she was here, and I probably would’nt have gotten in without her help. Honestly it was like it was meant to be. Isn’t that weird?

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  113. And if you are able to buy a house you end up paying much less than renting! The poorer you are, the more everything costs, while the more money you have the more money you can get easily with everything.

    Just like people don’t know how the “level” above them works, people don’t know how the level below them works either. I’m sure plenty of people don’t care anyway, but there’s definitely the mistaken impression that there’s all kinds of help available for people struggling. So there’s no reason in their heads that people can’t just access what they need. Then someone unable to get help is clearly just disfunctional or whatever because they can just ask for help supposedly.

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  114. Yes of course. I looked at properties when I first got here and I would’ve spent way less on a mortgage than I was paying for rent, but I didn’t have a steady job so I couldn’t get a loan. I had money from my injury settlements and my little small business income but it wasnt enough to buy anything. Then I tried to get my family to consider getting an investment property here and letting me manage it and they said but we are poor, we don’t do investments! So then I asked for help paying my rent and they said, why would we do that when there is nothing in it for us lol

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  115. That’s lucky you were able to find something. As far as I know even all the shithole places around here require all that. Even if you have money to pay them it’s too bad. The fact that the disability advocate is in a shithole apartment says a lot too about how little social workers get paid that she has to live in the same place as people disabled and struggling.

    The apartment I moved into with my dude at first before we lived in a house was somewhat nice and it still scared me. I didn’t like to go outside much by myself. It’s so frightening what women are put through being crammed in these close vicinities of so many strange men.

    Now here there’s some dude with the cops getting called on him several times recently and a whole big ruckus going on right outside. I hate it. I don’t want to be by so many people I don’t know.

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  116. Wow that’s evil. Your family sounds especially awful. My mom keeps talking about buying and selling houses now. She wants to invest in stuff but still doesn’t really know much about how and we have to do all this with just to deal with everything needed for this house.

    Meanwhile there are people making more off investments they have then a whole income just because they have money to start with. It’s all a big scam really. Money’s not even real. Men just says these papers mean something to now they can torture us all with it. The ones who really make the money aren’t working for it, they’re just passing it around in these convoluted scams.

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  117. I was driven partly by my desire to spite ma, who was really cannot committed to raising me to aspire to Drunken Sluttiness
    But that went to waste since she has no idea just how much of a horndog i am inherently! Must’ve tossed me in the Frigid bin after a while,/i reckon. There were times I couldn’t focus @ school,or work,cos/my virulent ovum spotted a piece of juicy DNA it”d like to munch on RIGHT THIS second.👩🏼‍🦰👧to create a Mini-Me

    No, Crack doesn’t work as analogy,since it;s a reliable source of pleasure. FriendOfValerie introduced me to every individual clitoral structure being different.If u pull out the raffle ticket of it just happening to extend inwards>u might get something out of it. If not> tooBad! U;re in the camp ranging from Meh 😒 , all the way down to Tearfully Aching. And guess what childbirth does.? It merges the camps…..downward.

    I couldn’t believe there were families with 3-4 kids here. they;d be treated as thoughtless rabbits in Slav-land. 1 child there =standard;
    2=only if u REALLY up to it
    3=embarrassing& practically unheard of

    Czechia;s the best off,with an enviable,humane welfare system , ..yet it still has a measly rate of 1.45kids &only trending down (exactly same as my super-troubled & penniless Old Country)

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  118. Here one child is still an oddity. I once had someone ask me why my parents didn’t have any more kids and if they had wanted to when I said I was an only child. What a bizarre thing to ask a stranger in a casual conversation. People write about how they had a kid and immediately other people start adding when they’re going to have another one and they see how it’s still considered weird to be an only child or have an only child.

    I’ve been asked if I want kids and when I’m having kids and all this stuff so much too. It’s really crazy how obsessed random people are with everyone reproducing here. So much nationalistic reproduce for your country bullshit going on. I have no idea what to say when someone asks why I don’t want a kid. Why would I? To create a life to be tortured? It would be so rude if I questioned them why they had kids, but they feel like they can question me about all this stuff even if they are complete strangers.

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  119. My mom is disgusted by men after a lifetime of dealing with them. She broke up with my dad not long after having me and was done with them after that. She constantly told me all these horrible stories of women she had known and women in the news getting raped and having other horrible stuff done to them by crazy men. The most horrible was how her friend and the friend’s mom went to visit someone in the hospital and some random dude violently raped them both and bit off the nipples of one of them. She was so afraid of something happening to me but she was inflicting all this mental trauma on me herself by constantly telling me this. As if I didn’t know anyway when everywhere you look some man is doing some horribly abusive thing to whatever woman he can.

    Yet she still wanted me to date all these men and when I did get a boyfriend she thought I should be out dating around more. Even though she knows full well how crazy and dangerous they are and basically told me what rapey little monsters they are my whole life. I was always allowed to dress pretty much any way I wanted and do whatever but she was always so afraid of anything at all that might make people think I’m a lesbian. I could have any colored hair and wear whatever outrageous outfits but when I would sometimes buy men’s shirts it would bother her. The Spice Girls came on the radio the other day in the car and she said how when I was little and had to do a report on a music group I wanted to do Spice Girls and she got me to do it on Hanson so people wouldn’t think I’m gay. It’s so weird and makes me so uncomfortable. It’s basically anything is okay as long as people think you want to fuck men.

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  120. Mothers pimp out their daughters pretty universally it seems. They have no desire to protect their daughters from men which is completely insane. Just like parents can’t really teach their kids to be antiauthoritarians, bc the parents themselves are authority figures! And probably authoritarians to boot. I mean, obviously. Why would you ever want to take full responsibility over another person if you were an antiauthoritarian? It just doesn’t work that way it seems. I’ve re-read this thread a couple of times and thought more about the drunken slut thing. I think you could substitute “life-devaluing” for “drunken slut” and have everything still make sense. So I think that’s what we’ve been talking about this whole time. When mothers act in these insane ways, they are devaluing life. That’s the direct result, I think, of the ways babies and therefore people are created in this culture, literally as if its a joke or a game. Or even a transaction. Sick babies are made into money vending machines for Big Medicine, but well children who aren’t intended to and able to be provided for forever are made into money vending machines for capitalists who buy well people’s labor for way less than its worth. If they paid workers what their work was actually worth, they wouldn’t make a profit, thats what profit means and where it comes from. And that’s the shithole parents dump their kids into if they aren’t willing to provide for them forever. And that is inherently devaluing of life. We are not meant to sit in a square white room while we are waiting to be used by our employers, that is devaluing of life, but that’s what parents want for their children. Its pathetic honestly. This seems to be where we are at. Anyway, I think these concepts are important and I hope people weren’t too offended that I used such raw language or whatever. But if they are, there are a million (or more) other places you can read, where you can be offended in a different way. lol. Thanks for reading and commenting.

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  121. That’s an interesting thought that to want to create life or be okay with creating life you have to be an authoritarian to some degree, it’s especially true in an authorization society like this and where everything is fractured and there’s no social groups to share child care. It leaves moms almost completely responsible for raising the children in a way that was not done in our history until recently because the tribe would share responsibility for caring for and teaching the children.

    I’ve been thinking about this more too. And the drunken slut thing made me laugh lol. It really is ridiculous how careless we are as a society about the actual power to create life (all male dominated societies). It is just a big game or joke. It’s considered a funny premise for a movie that 2 people who don’t know each other meet and fuck and accidentally create life. It’s so hard for young people to grasp the seriousness of it all because it’s not treated seriously at all. Then when it’s too late they are already locked into this lifetime of looking out for someone who needs them to survive this nightmare when they are likely to be barely surviving themselves.

    It certainly makes sense that in a culture so careless towards life mothers would have so much cognitive dissonance on what to do. The other side of the “mothers want us dead” thing is a “mothers want to live a better life through us” type thing. It’s always expected we’ll do better than they did even though all the same forces are in our way plus now all the poison environment stuff. They had so much terrible things in their lives that there’s the hope that we’ll have some great life despite everything and I think it’s not just for the kids benefit but also a way of having a better life through children’s success. So then if the children don’t “succeed” by being properly used by capitalists exploiting them as dictated by society, it’s a personal failure of the mother as well.

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  122. Then when the kids, especially daughters, aren’t succeeding by becoming proper capitalist tools after a lifetime of getting shit on in various ways… well clearly we must be retarded and need to be dropped off at the homeless shelter (or a mental institution) so they don’t have to bother with us anymore.

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  123. Since I was raised by liberal-ish parents, I remember hearing about certain religious people (code for christian) who saw sex as something for procreation only. And of course liberal narrative (which is male narrative) simulatneously told me to what think…”oh how silly….no. sex if for FUN!…babies are OPTIONAL”. But I look at that ‘sex only for procreation’ value now and think…..hm, actually, that makes perfect sense for women since our innate procreative instincts are distinctly more conservative (as in not wasteful or foolish) than men’s instinct to fuckfukfukallthetimeeverything. Plus… if this were taken to its logical conclusion, people wouldn’t be having sex hardly ever…..boo hoo for teh poor menz. Unfortunatley, religious men who hold this ‘sex for procreation only’ value, take it to mean the complete opposite from what is actually logical. Men say, oh then let’s make sure that every time we want to fuck our wives (woman slaves) it also creates a baby. So they keep recklessly bring more and more life into the world, all because they don’t want to admit to themselves what rapey monstrosities they actually are. I mean, in their ill-logical, they think well I want to fuck all the time, therefore my sperm should become spawn all the time. it all comes back to how men are innately about quantity, whereas women (unadulterated) are innately about quality.

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  124. “Maybe the male genetics are aliens and they weren’t from here but landed on this planet from organisms being carried through space on a meteorite.”

    I was just thinking this the other day. That men ARE the aliens. The aliens they imagine in all the horror-scifi scenarios they tell over and over.. they’re just TALKING ABOUT THEMSELVES! Aliens are…invaders, abductors, penetrators, impregnators, parasites, illusionists, and hungry for flesh.
    I think sometimes about the “Reavers” that nerdy people talk about from “Firefly” (a nerdy tv series). The Reavers are these aliens that basically capture other spaceships, and rape, skin-alive, and then murder their victims. I mean, Reavers aren’t real. But MEN ARE. I literally just read about some cartel dudes in Mexico who were skinning young women alive for fun. Reavers are just men projecting themselves on to some made up creature, so that women won’t notice who the real Reavers are.

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  125. ” A lot of people would honestly just be better off living in the woods than the things they are subjected to in “civilization” if any one actually knew how to survive anymore.”

    I was watching a video series of a realistic re-enactment of Victorian laborers’ experiences/daily lives. It wasso absolutely grueling that it now makes me laugh when I think about how the Victorian Era is so romanticized in media (especially for women in YA novels). The real day to day live of 75% of the population in Victorian times were spent being poor, dirty, cold, being worked to the bone, hungry, malnourished, and sleep-deprived, and then of course psychologically, physically, and sexually abused on top of all that. I’m watching this program thinking “why don’t they all just run out into the woods and live under a fucking tree?! Couldn’t be much worst than these wretched conditions in the cities!” But I know that violence is used to move people off of their rural and indigenous lands and force them to incorporate into the cities. It has happened for thousands of years, and still happens every day. I watched another program a while back that was an asian news program talking about how some city in china is lying to villagers and other rural people outside the city to come try working the the city and how it is all great and bullshit like that. Then the people move to the city, the city officials have their lands/village/farms confiscated and leveled, so that there is no village/farm/home to go back to and they are now stuck working and barely getting by in a city for disgustingly low and inconsistent wages, shit living facilities that cost a fortune to keep heated, so most are just cold all the time, and in a situation where they have to buy all their needed goods from the very people who are exploiting their labor. Patriarchy knows how to trap people in these systems, if people could just go run out and live in the woods, they would! Old witchy women did it for as long as they could before the men came out and burned them. This is why men make viable land next to impossible for common people to afford. They don’t want to allow us the means for independence. If we could live off the land (as mother nature’s law intended), then we sure as hell would Never go work in their shitty cites.

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  126. It’s not enough for right wing men to constantly fuck their wives of course, they also need mistresses and prostitutes (not to mention their own daughters oftentimes) whom they may not wish to impregnate. That’s why some people think that abortion will never actually be illegal, bc right wing men want and need abortion as much as left wing men. That said, powerful men don’t need it to be legal bc they have access to anything and everything all the time.

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  127. Yes these false dichotomies between the religious “righteous” way and the liberal “free” way only serve to confuse women because they all just come down to the ways in with men want to fuck us and how and when they want to impregnate us. It’s like everything, they create two meaningless categories and present them in opposition and tell us we must choose one, but it’s all just the same shit in definitely ways. If it wasn’t like this we’d probably be having more sex really, it just wouldn’t involve intercourse. Sex wouldn’t be entirely defined as a man putting his dick in us and everything else “doesn’t count.” We wouldn’t have to be afraid of all these negative consequences for our pleasure if that one act that is dangerous to us wasn’t seen as the ultimate thing.

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  128. The dude who made the movie Alien actually said how the premise is to make men feel the same bodily horror women feel about rape. He gave the alien vaguely female characteristics to turn the tables on things so that this female looking creature was the one terrorizing the men and was able to implant its genetics into them unwillingly to use them as a host. Which would of course then hurt and kill them. They can’t ever understand anything unless it’s something that could happen to them so this is the closest you could show them what living around men is like.

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  129. Quentin Tarantino said the man-on-man “rape” scene in Pulp Fiction was supposed to do the same thing: have an effect on men, and to make “people” take rape seriously lol. I don’t think it did that. I read somewhere that he and Uma Thurman had extensive conversations about it, which I can only imagine consisted of QT mansplaining rape to her and not listening to what she said at all. Then in Kill Bill he had Uma’s character be raped repeatedly for years when she was a coma patient in a hospital. I suppose his intent with that rape scene — oops I mean multiple rape scenes and implied rapes — was something totally unrapey too.

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  130. Lol I know about Reavers and all the nerdy stuff. Yes they are just the extreme of regular normal men. What men will do when allowed to completely run wild without control from civilization (women). I read an article where prostituted women in some Latin American country were being used for their skin for skin grafts. The dudes would act like they were hiring them to fuck them, then drug them and the women would wake up with a big section of their skin removed. They would just assume that their “clients” did it because “men have strange fetishes.” Women that really know what men are like expect that removing sections of women’s skin is basically a “normal” male desire. That’s certainly telling.

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  131. Men raping each other is still a funny joke to them. It certainly didn’t make anyone take anything seriously. I’ve seen a bunch of jokes about the Pulp Fiction rape.

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  132. OMG I hadn’t heard that about the skin grafts. People need to just assume that all their medical products are unethically sourced. I mean really. People care about blood diamonds and palm oil but they assume medical goods are collected from pots under a rainbow I guess, instead of being part of a supply chain that is extremely unethical unless proven otherwise, basically. Those poor women. 😦

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  133. Right and think about what must be happening to them already for them to assume the Johns did it for their fetishes 🤮 God men are so disgusting.

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  134. yea same thing when men talk about prison. men think that women are just being dramatic when we get upset about being sexually harassed, abused, and objectified in our own homes, schools, work places, and public spaces. It’s not until men think about going to prison that they ever FEEL even a drop of that same gut-wrenching horror of the possibility of being violated and not being able to escape. LOL It’s like, yea okay, now men…imagine that the entire world is prison and you can’t get away from it….. who’s feeling dramatic and upset now?

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  135. Another woman, it’s more than the 1 act. Any exposure to semen would require a soap bucket nearby to feel totally safe that not a drop ever gets near your bits.

    Would castratiOn be the only thing that solves that..?.or as a wise lesbian said: “just leave a cucumber 🥒 in the sun for an hour”🥶😀

    Such Vast no.s don’t enjoy it -that it offsets the no. Who do -to infinity & beyond. Ladies used to get butchered by Freudian science to get them to come from the deemed 1 Proper way. Turning us into drunken sluts has been a project in the making for well over a century. I’ve yet To hear of a single case of It never hurting during the course of a woman’s “sex life”. Especially now with all the AI

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  136. The only way it hurt me was from a couple times I got irritation. But since I get bad irritation from nothing on a regular basis on any sensitive skin on my body that’s just just a regular thing for me. The most common place is on my neck from any slight thing being mildly irritating or sometimes I’ll just be sitting there with seemingly nothing happening and a spot on my neck or face will start burning and need aloe or ice.

    But yeah men are much more trouble than they are worth! For sure. In a lot of ways. They are too emotional with all the bad emotions, too much to deal with overall.

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  137. “More trouble than they;re worth” is the best outcome, which only happens under a LONG list of constraints

    No, or low constrains > results in what i just read yesterday&can’t recover from. ..a husband in Honduras cut off the wife,s feet with a machete,,,,,after schtupping her into 5 kids by age 30

    All the semi_decent man-bonds women manage now >would go out the window the moment they;re removed, or if they never existed as habitual. Children destroy every one of them&until recently sperm count was much higher. Modern BC only manages to stave them off as imperfectly as it does, cos it may;ve dropped to a quarter in the past century maybe? It;s something drastic

    This is why radical lesbians & other non-straight practitioners get so angry about Nigel-ing&specifically intercourse defense. What were nigels like theirs doing in times past,without constraints? Mary Shelley existed only because her feminist dad killed Mary Wollstonecraft via her creation. Brides used to commit suicide after the wedding night as late as early 20th century ,once they knew they;d be experiencing THAT for the rest of their captive lives

    &what;re those same Nigels doing …if they;re Mings, Or Mahmoods,or Ivans?? Would the wonderful male Indian friend i had ,be the same if he were born in India? And what if your Hispanic ex was actually from Latin America>?the region of the world;s highest recorded femicide+no abortion beyond Mexico City? Would he refrain from PIV ,or get vasectomised before touching any female?

    I quit speaking to an Argentinian buddy,after he was afraid he knocked up a mother of 3….in Argentina without abortion. this was an introverted sweetheart i bonded with for 18 months!
    He was only as sweet as far as constraints went.What if i were that Mum&we engaged in drunken skankiness? would he gallantly refrain due to all his deep expressed regard for me?

    Their X may love you &see you as part-human,but their Y whispers in their ear that it MUST perpetuate itself.&can assert itself @ any moment

    Your case is so atypical that it;s statistically negligible. You did it very late, with only 1,&u had no fall-out causing physical damage. Incredible amount of luck +incredible no. Of constraints +no comparison. Others may only find 1 ,with whom it works, out of a slew. You may;ve just stumbled onto that 1 as the only one

    There was a case on Mumsnet, where a spouse refused to do her again after 4 pregnancies by 26 ! Eureka! Give him a giant trophy ,right? Nah, the wife interpreted it as “he doesn’t;t find my post-baby body sexy anymore”🤨 He connected the chicken&egg!!

    Jayne;s blog had a poster,whose wife divorced him out of no PiV. Brainwashing & self-destruction runs deep. Mine channeled itself elsewhere &in beyond excruciating manner

    CBL wrote about having a teen bf,who gave the only good sex of her life…while they were both virgins.When she met him as a grown-up>he forgot how to do any of that ,once the PIV did a no.him

    finally,in this epic saga of a comment:
    Latinos have a rep for being touchy-feely during ..only BECAUSE they;re touchy -feely elsewhere. That same Argentinian told me that Western porn was boring because there was none of that.

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  138. Lol I agree they suck. Don’t have to convince me. I can’t believe I found one who was mostly decent but he even still acted like an asshole when he decided he was done with things instead of being able to talk to me after spending all that time together. I don’t think I would have bothered with them at all if it wasn’t so pushed on us because even without knowing about all the horrors, most of them are not cute at all and I was always more into women. When I was little I thought that people just accepted that men are generally ugly and didn’t care and only a small percentage who had good looks and then actually take care of themselves were the cute ones, until I understood that these hideous hairy monkey men are supposed to be considered attractive to women.

    I do believe some few number of them would be decent even without constraints, but they would just be raped and killed along with the women and because that has happened so much the numbers of good ones is exceptionally low. Men who are at all decent fear other men too which is why they avoid anything deemed “feminine” to not be lumped in with us and get treated the same.

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  139. What do you mean about Mary Shelley? Did her dad force her to marry? From what I read before she just did it because it was the “proper” thing to do at the time and all that.

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  140. My ex said how the older generations of the Puerto Rican men were so shitty being horrible assholes and having second families and everything that the young men saw it and didn’t want to be like that and from everything I saw it was true. Him and his brother are pretty decent guys as far as men go and his dad apparently was in between because he is overall decent and took good care of all of them but cheated on the mom when they were young and they almost got divorced. I think a lot of them actually can be taught better. But I also think it would be a much better use of our time to just focus on helping each other and try not to deal with them. The ones that can’t be taught are so heinous that it’s not worth sorting though then either for the chance that you might come across since of the violent ones or ones who are otherwise deranged.

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